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To: fortheDeclaration
The idea that you would form a Government that could be broken up at the whim of any single state is simply ridicilous.

1. Get over asserting, frivolously and untruthfully, that a State or States leaving the Union breaks up the whole United States. That's a dishonest argument, and you know it by now -- you've been told, and it has been shown you, that Florida's and Georgia's leaving the Union in no way impaired the adhesion of Wisconsin, Minnesota, and California.

2. That is exactly the kind of government we formed, because we reserved every power not granted to the United States by the Constitution, to the States and the People by passing the Tenth Amendment. We also made sure, by the Ninth Amendment, that the enumeration and specification of some rights in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights could never be used to deny the rest of our reserved rights and powers.

The basic problem here is that you like how the Civil War came out, and you will not listen to anything that doesn't tell you how lucky and how smart you are, or that tells you that perhaps your heroes of the Union may have perpetrated instead the single greatest crime in the history of North America, or even of the New World, in the pursuit of power and wealth.

1,347 posted on 11/26/2004 5:41:07 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus; capitan_refugio
By the way, the conservatives did attempt to impeach Huey Long.
His program met with unrelenting opposition from conservatives; who attempted to remove him from office by impeachment on charges that included bribery and misuse of state funds. Long defeated the move after persuading 15 senators, a sufficient number to thwart impeachment, to sign a round robin that they would not vote to convict.

. Get over asserting, frivolously and untruthfully, that a State or States leaving the Union breaks up the whole United States.

Well, it breaks up enough of it!

The separation would have made both weaker not stronger.

Would it have been possible to split without great trauma, possibly.

Yet the precedent is a very dangerous one, and that was what Lincoln was fighting against.

The South had agreed to the political system and the political system was still intact.

She had benefited from that system with the 3/4 rule and dominating the White House for years.

Now that the tables had turned she was going to pick up her marbles and go home?

The Democratic Party split over slavery.

Had not that split occured they would still have dominated the political arena.

Lincoln never denied the right of revolution and if the South had a right to revolt, let them make the case for it.

But secession was just a refusal to play by the rules that they had agreed to and had themselves profited from.

We can liken this to the 'blue'states wanting to leave the 'red'states because we now control Washington.


1,359 posted on 11/26/2004 6:47:13 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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