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To: Gianni
Yes, and the Federal gov't was created by the people of the nation through the states.

If the Federal gov't was abusing its power the people have a right to change that gov't as is the right of revolution (which Lincoln never denied)

Secession is not an option since the nation was formed by the people and it must be the people as a people who change it.

1,345 posted on 11/26/2004 5:30:40 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration; Gianni
If the Federal gov't was abusing its power the people have a right to change that gov't as is the right of revolution (which Lincoln never denied)

Well, they did have that right, but Lincoln did deny it w/ respect to the South -- secession being a species of revolution. Secession is also the mildest of all the forms of revolution, since it doesn't involve destroying the original establishment. When the Roman plebs left town and withdrew ("secede" <= Lat. se "aside" + cedere "go", "progress", "retreat"), they didn't overthrow the Roman government or interfere with the magistrates or the institutions of the city's government.

Secession is not an option since the nation was formed by the people and it must be the people as a people who change it.

No, look at the Chase opinion I quoted upthread in Texas vs. White, on the nature of the equation between "People" and "State". Each State is a People and vice versa; and the People of each State acted independently in ratifying the Constitution. The Southern States basically reconvened those same conventions and rescinded their prior acts of ratification, and walked.

Remember the pecking order:

God

People = State

Constitution

U.S. and State Governments

Everything else.

1,350 posted on 11/26/2004 5:52:36 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Yes, and the Federal gov't was created by the people of the nation through the states.

The fedgov was created by the people of the states, not the people of a non-existant nation.

1,506 posted on 11/27/2004 5:07:15 AM PST by Gianni
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