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To: GOPcapitalist; capitan_refugio
It further remains that, even if he got approval in 1863, Lincoln still conducted unilateral suspensions of the writ of habeas corpus for a period of two full years without sanction from Congress to do so.

Any attempts to impeach him?

Did he stop Congress from meeting?

Were there Northern Democrats among the Congress?

Actually, Lincoln was getting criticism for being too weak in his action from many members of Congress.

Since your only goal is the destruction of the United States and all governments for that matter, your 'legal'arguments'ring hollow.

We are now in a war against Islamic terrorism, is the President going to have the ACLU types (like yourself and Nolu Chan) coming in and screaming, Rights, when the men who are using those same rights are attempting to destroy them forever?

No one has a 'right'to use the laws of the United States against the United States in order to destroy it.

The Southern Cabel is just angry that Buchanan wasn't the incoming President, when you guys revolted, then you would have gotten away with it.

Ofcourse, Buchanan, even though pro-South, disagreed that there was any right to secession, but he also did not believe the Federal Government had any 'right'to defend itself from secession.

Had you attempted the Secession a year earlier you might had gotten away with it.

1,309 posted on 11/26/2004 4:13:58 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
but he also did not believe the Federal Government had any 'right'to defend itself from secession.

The word 'right' in quotes for good reason. Government is a creation of men. Men do not bestow rights. Governments do not have rights. Governments have powers delegated them.

1,340 posted on 11/26/2004 5:19:34 AM PST by Gianni
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To: fortheDeclaration; GOPcapitalist
[ftD] We are now in a war against Islamic terrorism, is the President going to have the ACLU types (like yourself and Nolu Chan) coming in and screaming, Rights, when the men who are using those same rights are attempting to destroy them forever?

Another sermon from the nut case. Any minute now I expect ftD to start preaching about sixth day creation.

1,375 posted on 11/26/2004 8:58:05 AM PST by nolu chan
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To: fortheDeclaration
Any attempts to impeach him?

I don't recall there being any, though he certainly had his critics in Congress. Remember that in 1861 there was no precedent for impeaching a president and precious little for impeaching anybody else, thus making it a substantially more difficult action to achieve. I can say for certain though that Lincoln committed multiple offenses that would rise to the level of impeachment if he had been tried on the matter.

Did he stop Congress from meeting?

From March to July of 1861 he did by refusing to call an emergency session when the events of the time and the constitution dictated he should have done so. He also tried to prevent a federal court from meeting by placing one of the judges under house arrest, as I previously informed you.

Actually, Lincoln was getting criticism for being too weak in his action from many members of Congress.

The criticisms of petty tyrants like Charles Sumner are of no concern to me.

We are now in a war against Islamic terrorism, is the President going to have the ACLU types (like yourself and Nolu Chan) coming in and screaming, Rights, when the men who are using those same rights are attempting to destroy them forever?

I see you've taken up your compatriot El Capitan's penchant for libeling his opponents rather than debating their positions. Congratulations. You've devolved into the upper ranks of the Wlat Brigade.

If you have any honest desire to comprehend my position as it relates to the subjects you address, BTW, you will find it mirrored in Antonin Scalia's dissent from Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. I don't suppose you have the balls to call Antonin Scalia an ACLU type terrorist defender though, meaning you will probably avoid his writings so that you may persist unimpeded in your slurs against anybody who deviates from your worship at the false altar of Saint Abe.

1,402 posted on 11/26/2004 11:26:22 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: fortheDeclaration; GOPcapitalist
[ftD] We are now in a war against Islamic terrorism, is the President going to have the ACLU types (like yourself and Nolu Chan) coming in and screaming, Rights, when the men who are using those same rights are attempting to destroy them forever?

So, when are you giving your sermon about sixth day creation, mud people, and the elect?

You have the right to worship your Lincoln bobblehead deity.

1,411 posted on 11/26/2004 12:35:02 PM PST by nolu chan
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