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Commentary: Truth blown away in sugarcoated 'Gone With the Wind'
sacbee ^ | 11-13-04

Posted on 11/13/2004 11:12:00 AM PST by LouAvul

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Based on Margaret Mitchell's hugely popular novel, producer David O. Selznick's four-hour epic tale of the American South during slavery, the Civil War and Reconstruction is the all-time box-office champion.

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Considering its financial success and critical acclaim, "Gone With the Wind" may be the most famous movie ever made.

It's also a lie.

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Along with D.W. Griffith's technically innovative but ethically reprehensible "The Birth of a Nation" (from 1915), which portrayed the Ku Klux Klan as heroic, "GWTW" presents a picture of the pre-Civil War South in which slavery is a noble institution and slaves are content with their status.

Furthermore, it puts forth an image of Reconstruction as one in which freed blacks, the occupying Union army, Southern "scalawags" and Northern "carpetbaggers" inflict great harm on the defeated South, which is saved - along with the honor of Southern womanhood - by the bravery of KKK-like vigilantes.

To his credit, Selznick did eliminate some of the most egregious racism in Mitchell's novel, including the frequent use of the N-word, and downplayed the role of the KKK, compared with "Birth of a Nation," by showing no hooded vigilantes.

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One can say that "GWTW" was a product of its times, when racial segregation was still the law of the South and a common practice in the North, and shouldn't be judged by today's political and moral standards. And it's true that most historical scholarship prior to the 1950s, like the movie, also portrayed slavery as a relatively benign institution and Reconstruction as unequivocally evil.

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Or as William L. Patterson of the Chicago Defender succinctly wrote: "('Gone With the Wind' is a) weapon of terror against black America."

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To: bushpilot
Maybe I missed it, but that picture is not on the website you linked. That picture is not of the Cora.

You seem to be fixated on the idea that slave trading criminals operated out of "New England." Sorry to burst that bubble, but like the rum runners of Prohibition, they operated wherever they could, out of sight of the authorities.

By the late 1850's, old worn out clipper ships were becoming a dime-a-dozen. I have pictures of the scores of abandoned ship in San Francisco Bay. They just were not profitable to operate in their intended trade. That some individuals would use them for running contraband is not at all surprising.

2,101 posted on 12/02/2004 10:39:17 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: GOPcapitalist
"He deported once congressional leader (Vallandigham) ..."

FORMER congressional "leader" (he had lost re-election and was running for the Democrat nomination to be governor of Ohio)

"... for speaking critically of his war ..."

Herman Belz writes: "“In April 1863, General Ambrose Burnside issued an order prohibiting in the area of his command [Ohio] any declarations of sympathy for the enemy. He also declared that persons who helped the enemy would be tried under military authority. Former Democratic representative Clement L. Vallandigham condemned the order and urged resistance to it. He was arrested, tried, and convicted by a military commission. Burnside imposed a prison sentence, which President Lincoln commutted into banishment beyond Confederate lines.

"Removing to Canada, Vallandigham petitioned a federal circuit court in Ohio for a writ of habeas corpus, but since he was no longer in custody, no basis existed for Supreme Court review of the lower court’s denial of the petition. Vallandigham then applied to the Supreme Court for a writ of certiorari to review directly the decision of the military commission."

What came next was Ex parte Vallandigham, which supported the military tribunals.

Prof Thomas Morris wrote about Vallandigham, "The story of another wartime Democrat, the negrophobic U.S. Congressman from Ohio, Clement L. Vallandigham, who was also tried by a military commission in the North, ended differently [from that of Milligan]."

At least Vallandigham retained some of his fame. From the 1860's to the 1940's the term "Vallandigham" was synonymous with traitor, replacing "Benedict Arnold" before the advent of "Quisling."

2,102 posted on 12/02/2004 10:58:14 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: LouAvul
by the bravery of KKK-like vigilantes

Amazing how some bigots will get on their high hill and preach how evil and racist the south is, but will immediately get off it and disappear when asked about northern atrocities against native Americans....Hypocrisy?

2,103 posted on 12/02/2004 11:03:05 AM PST by chronotrigger (good news: Micheal Moore has been neutered (Leno other night).)
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To: GOPcapitalist
"Seriously capitan - you cannot make stuff up that's goofier that this!"

Certainly I could. I could just copy your posts!

2,104 posted on 12/02/2004 11:04:17 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: GOPcapitalist
I have provided proof by quoting the Chief Justice. The allegation that Taney knew Merryman personally, and was his neighbor, stands unrefuted. You may take issue with it, but you haven't refuted it. I am satisfied with Rehnquist and the times article he used (out the the hundreds he could have used).

It is a relationship that makes sense, given Taney's unorthodox actions in the case.

2,105 posted on 12/02/2004 11:10:18 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: bushpilot

Look up the definition of the word "too."


2,106 posted on 12/02/2004 11:11:10 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: GOPcapitalist; fortheDeclaration
[ftD] What Congressional leader did Lincoln put into prison for attempting to impeach him?

[GOPc] They never had the chance. He deported once congressional leader (Vallandigham) for speaking critically of his war and got another expelled from the senate (Bright) for suggesting they peacefully separate.

Vallandigham introduced resolutions censuring Lincoln for his actions [Congressional Globe, page 130, July 15, 1861], but I imagine they didn't go anywhere what with the Republican majority.

Vallandigham's resolutions hit on the following (my summations of them):

Lincoln usurped the Constitutional power of Congress to raise and support armies and provide and maintain a navy

Lincoln usurped the power of Congress to declare war and regulate the ports

Lincoln usurped the power of Congress in suspending the writ of habeas corpus

Lincoln usurped the power of Congress to make and direct appropriations

Lincoln violated the Constitution in the searches and seizures he ordered

Lincoln abridged Constitutional freedom of speech in suppressing newspaper presses and arresting civilians for expressing political opinion

Lincoln's violated the Constitution in arresting without civil processes citizens who were not subject to the rule of war


2,108 posted on 12/02/2004 11:36:30 AM PST by rustbucket
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To: capitan_refugio
Merryman was not just any old schlep from Baltimore. He has been described as one of its leading citizens.

Lt. John Merryman was not a citizen of Baltimore, he lived some 15 miles away from Baltimore. Please provide documentary evidence of his claimed social standing and close association with Chief Justice Taney.

2,109 posted on 12/02/2004 11:44:06 AM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: bushpilot
They dont know if they lied to much or to little.

They can't keep up with all their lies, their stories change constantly.

2,110 posted on 12/02/2004 11:47:23 AM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You have been using just the word slothful

Yes. Slothful, as in an adjective to describe your argument. It means your responses are sloppy, sluggish, lazy and intellectually wanting to the degree that you deny the obvious and irrefutable without basis other than the fact that you desire it not to be true.

2,114 posted on 12/02/2004 1:19:04 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: GOPcapitalist
Neither John Merryman nor Roger Taney are enumerated in the 1850 Baltimore City census. Neither John Merryman nor Roger Taney are enumerated in the 1860 Baltimore City census. Roger Taney is not enumerated in the 1860 Baltimore County census. In other words, Roger B. Taney, Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, did not reside in either the city of Baltimore nor in Baltimore County.

In 1850, Merryman lived almost 15 miles from Baltimore, near Cockeysville, MD. In 1860, Merryman STILL lived near Cockeysville, MD.

2,115 posted on 12/02/2004 1:20:48 PM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
DRASTIC is the key word here NOT shortage. But this is typical.

Actually "shortage" is the noun and object of the definition with "drastic" only being a descriptive modifier. Then again, you seemed to have learned English at the same place you learned economics and by example of you, their program is evidenced to be wanting.

2,116 posted on 12/02/2004 1:21:08 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The unfavorable comparision was because the tariff was not as drastic and therefore not as protective as the embargo.

You're being slothful again, fakeit. Taussig did not say that the tariffs failed because they were not drastic enough. He did note that the embargo imposed a drastic trade restriction, which we properly call autarky. But nowhere does he fault the tariffs for failing to impose more autarky. That was YOUR comparison made by YOU in YOUR posts HERE. And to that I say that you are in pretty bad shape when your argument has to unfavorably compare the tariffs to the notorious Embargo Act!

Taussig simply notes they were ineffective at accomplishing much of anything they claimed they would do. You, of course, do not like that fact thus you ignore and dismiss evidence of it while attempting to distort what others have said about it into the exact opposite.

2,117 posted on 12/02/2004 1:25:41 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: capitan_refugio
FORMER congressional "leader" (he had lost re-election and was running for the Democrat nomination to be governor of Ohio)

Half truth. Vallandigham was a lame duck congressman at the time of his arrest (April 1863) because the 38th Congress did not begin until July 4th. His candidacy for governor came during his exile a few months later.

Herman Belz writes: "“In April 1863, General Ambrose Burnside issued an order prohibiting in the area of his command [Ohio] any declarations of sympathy for the enemy. He also declared that persons who helped the enemy would be tried under military authority. Former Democratic representative Clement L. Vallandigham condemned the order and urged resistance to it. He was arrested, tried, and convicted by a military commission. Burnside imposed a prison sentence, which President Lincoln commutted into banishment beyond Confederate lines.

Imagine that. Lincoln's military thugs arbitrarily imposed an order prohibiting free speech that differed from the administration in the state of Ohio several hundred miles away from the war zone then arrests opposition political leaders who criticize the order! Thank you for once again proving my point by showing that good ole civil libertarian Abe Lincoln's view of free speech!

2,118 posted on 12/02/2004 1:36:51 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: capitan_refugio

My apologies. I just checked the record and the 38th Congress was not convened until December 7, 1863.


2,119 posted on 12/02/2004 1:38:39 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: capitan_refugio
I have provided proof by quoting the Chief Justice.

The Chief Justice said nothing about Taney knowing Merryman personally. Rather he quoted a New York Times editorial among many others to show the position of the northern newspapers. That editorial happened to contain the as of yet unsubstantiated allegation that the two were neighbors.

The allegation that Taney knew Merryman personally, and was his neighbor, stands unrefuted.

No capitan. It stands unsubstantiated.

2,120 posted on 12/02/2004 1:41:51 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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