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Commentary: Truth blown away in sugarcoated 'Gone With the Wind'
sacbee ^ | 11-13-04

Posted on 11/13/2004 11:12:00 AM PST by LouAvul

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Based on Margaret Mitchell's hugely popular novel, producer David O. Selznick's four-hour epic tale of the American South during slavery, the Civil War and Reconstruction is the all-time box-office champion.

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Considering its financial success and critical acclaim, "Gone With the Wind" may be the most famous movie ever made.

It's also a lie.

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Along with D.W. Griffith's technically innovative but ethically reprehensible "The Birth of a Nation" (from 1915), which portrayed the Ku Klux Klan as heroic, "GWTW" presents a picture of the pre-Civil War South in which slavery is a noble institution and slaves are content with their status.

Furthermore, it puts forth an image of Reconstruction as one in which freed blacks, the occupying Union army, Southern "scalawags" and Northern "carpetbaggers" inflict great harm on the defeated South, which is saved - along with the honor of Southern womanhood - by the bravery of KKK-like vigilantes.

To his credit, Selznick did eliminate some of the most egregious racism in Mitchell's novel, including the frequent use of the N-word, and downplayed the role of the KKK, compared with "Birth of a Nation," by showing no hooded vigilantes.

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One can say that "GWTW" was a product of its times, when racial segregation was still the law of the South and a common practice in the North, and shouldn't be judged by today's political and moral standards. And it's true that most historical scholarship prior to the 1950s, like the movie, also portrayed slavery as a relatively benign institution and Reconstruction as unequivocally evil.

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Or as William L. Patterson of the Chicago Defender succinctly wrote: "('Gone With the Wind' is a) weapon of terror against black America."

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To: rustbucket
As for Kansas, you Slavers attempted to hijact the gov't and were stopped

You attempted to steal the gov't of Kansas and invaded neutral Kentucky.

As for Maryland and Missouri, if they had traitors in them, they had to be weeded out.

That was in a war situation.

1,061 posted on 11/24/2004 8:33:21 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: stand watie
while Davis had his problems, (who here on earth does NOT?) he was miles ahead in the "character race" with lincoln,the tyrant, scheming shyster lawyer & power-hungry politician.

Yes, a man who thinks that a race should be kept in slavery is a very noble man.

1,062 posted on 11/24/2004 8:34:45 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: lentulusgracchus
"Had [Lincoln] lived, there would have been some sort of reaction against what he did to the country."

Rank speculation on your part. What is more likely is that Lincoln would have kept the more radical reconstructionists in check, and the "heaven-sent" (to use your terminology) actor John Wilkes Booth would have been littel remembered.

1,063 posted on 11/24/2004 8:37:24 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: fortheDeclaration
But the bottom line is that the South was fighting to keep slavery-period.

Wrongo. The stakes were higher than that, and you don't understand where the passion was.

For example, and please don't do a capitan and demand -- out of blind screw-with-em'ness -- full footnotes and Modern Library Association end notes, biblio, etc., the social divisions apparent during the ratification debates in 1788-90 were still apparent in the South in 1860.

In 1787, men of property tended to go with the Federalists in favor of the new Constitution, since they were strongly attracted by the idea of the Government as a hobby horse for business interests and had a laundry-list of things they thought the government could do for business, beginning with the improvement in the creditworthiness of the federal government if it were given the power to lay direct taxes on the People.

Tidewater planters went for the Constitution, and the Antifederalists who were either wealthy themselves or educated professionals were likely to be won over during the debates by promises to amend the Constitution. John and Sam Adams and John Hancock in Massachusetts were among these Antifederalist luminaries who changed sides.

Three generations later, something of the same social and property division appeared again in the South when the biggest planters tended to rally to the Constitutional Union Party and the candidacy of John Bell:

The single unifying national party in the United States [the Democrats] was now hopelessly sundered, but this was not enough; the conservative Southerners split off from the dominant radicals. The conservatives organized their own Constitutional Union party at Baltimore.

This last group contained and represented most of the men of property, including the largest slaveowners, in the South. Secession frightened these men. They declared it would be ruinous to the South. They represented the calmest and best-educated elements in their states, with the least parochial view, and their platform was that the property-holders of the South must fight encroaching industrialism and abolition within the framework of the Constitution. If the South had been a genuine "aristocracy," they might have prevailed.

Sam Houston of Texas received fifty-seven votes as the Constitutional Union standard bearer on the first ballot, but John Bell, of Tennessee, got sixty-eight. Bell carried the second ballot, and Edward Everett was selected for Vice President. [Edward Everett, three years later, delivered the two-hour address at Gettysburg that introduced President Lincoln's brief remarks.]

Further along, the "industrialism" that the planters opposed is described this way, as it operated in the North during the Civil War:

While the war itself was moving political power irresistibly toward the Federal capital in Washington, money power was centralized in New York through the wartime Currency Acts. And an enormous centralization, through economic expansion, was going on. Businesses and enterprises were being formed that soon transcended the states themselves. All these currents moved together. The removal of real power to a national capital was the first necessity for an expanded transportation and industrial complex that lay across many states. The concentration of fiscal power in New York broke the monetary freedom of state legislatures. As business enterprise became more and more national and spread on rails, old boundaries were, and had to be, meaningless.....

If the men and interests behind the rise of the new industrial America did not realize fully where they were going, they understood their basic imperatives well enough. They needed certain things from government: high tariffs on industrial products; business subsidies and the diversion of public finances to railroads; centralized money control; continued massive immigration to curb native workers and create a labor pool ; and a hard money policy, without which a solid financial-industrial complex was difficult to build.

-- T. R. Fehrenbach, Lone Star: A History of Texas and the Texans, McMillan, 1968, pp. 339-340, p. 404. (Emphasis added.)

1,064 posted on 11/24/2004 8:47:16 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: fortheDeclaration
i've asked you before and will ask you again, until you give a straight answer,:

WHEN are you going to admit that the WBTS was NOT about the preservation of chattel slavery since,

1. the damnyankees planned to keep THEIR slaves & ONLY free those slaves belonging to southerners????

2. lincoln said in 1862 that he had NO INTENTION to free the slaves ANYPLACE. (it was ONLY after it became likely that the South would win AND that he would lose the 1864 election, that lincoln decided to "sell the war" as a crusade against slavery).

3. GEN U. S. GRANT said NUMEROUS times, " had the late war been to preserve the institution of chattel slavery, i would have offered my sword to the South. the war was ONLY to preserve the union." [emphasis: mine]

AND when are you going to tell us how you feel about NORTHERN persons, banks,shipping companies, insurance companies, railroads, etc OWNING slaves both in the USA & abroad?? was that practice A-OK, as they were yankees/yankee-owned companies, rather than southerners?

inquiring minds want to know.

free dixie,sw

1,065 posted on 11/24/2004 8:49:59 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: capitan_refugio
Otherwise you wouldn't make such an ignorant statement.

Just put up or shut up. I'm done screwing around with you. Quote him in extenso to show me wrong, or I'm not listening.

Now go away, I'm busy.

1,066 posted on 11/24/2004 8:51:06 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Jefferson Davis suspending the writ of Hebeas Corpus!

That's "habeas corpus".

1,067 posted on 11/24/2004 8:52:54 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
yep, they are. it's the chromosome that controls COMMON SENSE & causes damnyankees to swallow the "pubic screwl edumakashun" they receive without THOUGHT.

free dixie,sw

1,068 posted on 11/24/2004 8:53:09 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: stand watie
Agreed, Lincoln's intent was not to end slavery, but to preserve the Union.

However, while Lincoln was not fighting to end slavery, the South was fighting to keep it.

1,069 posted on 11/24/2004 8:53:31 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: nolu chan
"It appears that Fehrenbacher and capitan_kerryfugio are unable to demonstrate much, they can only refer to appearances and things not difficult to believe."

Two sets of printers proofs containing demonstrable changes:

(1). Five paragraphs from the proofs plus three other paragraphs (added after delivery from the bench) in rebuttal to dissent that "Taney's opinion was without authority."

(2). Fifteen paragraphs of rebuttal to McLean to explain why Taney differs from a prior opinion given by John Marshall.

(3). Three paragraphs "denouncing the manner in which the case had been brought before the Supreme Court ... introduc[ing] a new question that had not been argued by counsel.

These, as Professor Fehrenbacher notes, were just the more lengthly changes between the two sets of proofs. Fehrenbacher also provides convincing evidence which validates Curtis's charges of substantial changes by Taney.

All of this of this intrigue by the dishonest Chief Justice led Fehrenbacher to ask, in the last sentence of the chapter:

"Another complication is thereby added to an already labyrinthine case, and especially to the question that has fascinated and confused several generations of historians and legal scholars: What did the Court actually decide?"

1,070 posted on 11/24/2004 8:54:42 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: lentulusgracchus
Jefferson Davis suspending the writ of Hebeas Corpus! That's "habeas corpus".

Thank you.

1,071 posted on 11/24/2004 8:55:11 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
how about the millions of dollars that damnyankees had invested in THEIR slaves???

was that OK in your fevered mind?

1,072 posted on 11/24/2004 8:57:22 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: nolu chan; lentulusgracchus

Why do you think Justice Scalia chose the persons he did to review his essay?


1,073 posted on 11/24/2004 8:58:09 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
[cr] Unless you can support your assertion with documentation, you are just blustering.

Unless you can support your assertion with documentation, you are just blustering

1,074 posted on 11/24/2004 8:58:18 AM PST by nolu chan
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To: rustbucket
the Federal army was used to exclude Lincoln's opponents from the polls in various states during the war.

Lincoln's political operators also kept National Democracy campaigners away from the Army, and soldiers were given passes to go home -- all the way home, from operational areas -- to vote. If they were going to vote Republican, that is, and not waste their votes on "Copperheads" (Democrats).

1,075 posted on 11/24/2004 8:58:31 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: capitan_refugio
Rank speculation on your part.

Based on what has happened in just about every other two-term President's second term.

1,076 posted on 11/24/2004 8:59:58 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: stand watie
how about the millions of dollars that damnyankees had invested in THEIR slaves??? was that OK in your fevered mind?

Did they secede from the Union to keep the profits going?

1,077 posted on 11/24/2004 9:01:21 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
you mean like your secular saint & tyrant, "lincoln, the 1st of damnyankeeland"????

face it, lincoln HATED & FEARED all "persons of colour",indians, jews,latinos,asians, catholics & "muddy-coloured people" (mixedbloods like ME!).

lincoln was a stone racist, by the standards of the 19th/20th/21st/ANY century.

free dixie,sw

1,078 posted on 11/24/2004 9:01:55 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: nolu chan
"When confronted with the erudition of Justice Scalia, the first thing Professor Wood did was note his lack of credentials for legal argument."

Which is why he is a historian rather than a lawyer. It is interesting to note, however, that the legal community has an appreciation for his insight into the historical foundations of American jurisprudence.

1,079 posted on 11/24/2004 9:03:29 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: fortheDeclaration
NOPE. they did not have to, as the damnyankees were IN CONTROL & the WBTS, from the damnyankee perspective, was ONLY to maintain that political/social/financial control over everyone else.

was it OK (in YOUR mind) for the damnyankees to hold slaves AND at the same time to attack southerners for owning slaves?

doesn't that plainly show what HYPOCRYTES damnyankees WERE/ARE?

free dixie,sw

1,080 posted on 11/24/2004 9:06:54 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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