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To: ShadowAce

ShadowAce:
"I said God has provided the grace that all men might believe. Without that grace, Man cannot come to Christ on his own."


I assume you mean, "Man can come to Christ on his own because of God's grace to all Men"? Still looks and smells like Universalism.


But I agree whole-heartedly in the last part of your statement, "Man cannot come to Christ on his own". That seems to be clearly taught in the Scriptures. And I must also agree with your assertion that God is gracious to all men - I believe this is what some theologians call "Common Grace". The larger question is that of "Saving Grace" - the grace that God gives that results (ALWAYS results) in our salvation.

Do you believe there are two sorts of grace? (common and saving)


324 posted on 09/03/2004 8:56:27 AM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: visually_augmented; ShadowAce; xzins
Do you believe there are two sorts of grace? (common and saving)

In terms of the grace involved in salvation there is only one grace. The same grace which saves one man will damn another. The grace that saves the man who receives it will condemn the man who rejects it. It would appear to be the same grace.

326 posted on 09/03/2004 9:29:08 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: visually_augmented
The larger question is that of "Saving Grace" - the grace that God gives that results (ALWAYS results) in our salvation.

Where does it say ALWAYS?

Saving Grace is given to all (Tit 2:11), but only those who accept it and Christ (John 3:16) will be saved.

327 posted on 09/03/2004 9:57:07 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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