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To: visually_augmented
Have you considered that belief is given by God in this reference in John 3:16?

Yes, I have. Titus 2:11-12 teaches that God has provided that grace to all men.

Hence, while we, by our sinful nature, could not possibly come to Christ, Christ Himself has given that possibility to all men, so that they may make that decision.

321 posted on 09/03/2004 7:52:08 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Titus 2:11
11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12 instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,


I don't see in this passage that you referenced where it says Man is the source of the belief (and only some Men excercise the belief). I see the same "salvation to all men" reference that we alluded to in 1Timothy 2:5-6. Again, this scripture implies a universal salvation.

I think the topic might better be addressed if we grapple with the issue of John 3:3. What does it mean to be "born again"? Is this something that results from Man's (self inspired) belief? Or is this something that occurs which allows Man to believe?


322 posted on 09/03/2004 8:11:28 AM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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