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To: GOPcapitalist
If you want to continue quoting from Hitler's Mein Kampf, be my guest. It degrades the tone of the discussion and the forum its on. But if you insist, why don't you also post Hitler's views, in the same chapter, on the inferiority Jews, and his other views on the inferiority of Negros (something, I am sure you, and your fellow stooges, wholeheartedly support - afterall, it was the very foundation of the "Lost Cause" for which you profess so much love.

The rub is, you don't quote Hitler's writings because of some perverse intellectual curiosity; you do it to smear those with whom you disagree. I would not be the least bit surprised if you had the swastika decal right beside the stars and bars decal in the rear window of your pickup.

Sorry, neither you, LG, 4CJ, or NC are going to bait me into discuss your racist, bigoted, Nazi views. I have already declined to discuss your Klan views, if you will remember.

331 posted on 08/30/2004 9:56:56 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio; lentulusgracchus
If you want to continue quoting from Hitler's Mein Kampf, be my guest. It degrades the tone of the discussion and the forum its on.

The tone was already well degraded when you began parroting a line indistinguishable from Hitler's several dozen posts back.

But if you insist, why don't you also post Hitler's views, in the same chapter, on the inferiority Jews

Are you agreeing with them as well just like you agree with that passage about the union? If so, perhaps you should join your neo-nazi buddy and former Wlat Brigadier #3fan on another forum that permits that kind of garbage.

The rub is, you don't quote Hitler's writings because of some perverse intellectual curiosity; you do it to smear those with whom you disagree.

Don't be silly, capitan. You pitched a hissy fit when others likened your arguments to the nazi political philosophy of the fuehrerprinzip over their common and shared themes. You vehemently denied it and blasted another poster for implicating your position for its similarity to the nazi one. Now you're embarassed because, as I have shown, Hitler ascribed to a position that was not only similar but in fact VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL to your own on this subject. So rather than wipe the egg from your face you once again stand there letting it drip all over the carpet while projecting the negative implications of your newly shown shared subscription to Hitler's view of the union onto those who caught you in the act.

I would not be the least bit surprised if you had the swastika decal

Sorry projection boy, but unlike persons who regularly quote and praise Jacobin radicals like Rakove, Farber, and Finkelman, I have nothing but disdain and contempt for the symbols and ideologies of the socialist world.

333 posted on 08/30/2004 10:10:19 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Can Lincoln expect to subjugate a people thus resolved? No!" - Sam Houston, 3/1863)
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To: nolu chan; 4ConservativeJustices; stand watie; lentulusgracchus
Given our friend capitan's recently exposed tendency to share Hitler's view of the union, I thought the time opportune to revive an old favorite from the days before Wlat went off the deep end on a Bush-bashing tirade and got himself banned.

The "Who Said It: Walt or Karl Marx?" Quiz

DIRECTIONS: The following quotations are statements made either by Karl Marx, the father of communism and big government thuggery, or by Walt in his pro-Lincoln postings on Free Republic. Without consulting outside sources, identify who you believe to be the author of each quote by indicating so. Each correct answer will be worth 1 point.. Answers will be displayed shortly after ample time has been allowed for response. Yankees are welcome to give it a try as well.

1. "Part of Lincoln's genius was in knowing what the country would accept, and another part was helping to guide it where it needed to go."

2. "[Abraham Lincoln was] one of the rare men who succeed in becoming great, without ceasing to be good. Such, indeed, was the modesty of this great and good man, that the world only discovered him a hero after he had fallen a martyr."

3. "In accordance with the principle that any further extension of slave territories was to be prohibited by law, the Republicans therefore attacked the rule of the slaveholders at its root. The Republican election victory was...bound to lead to open struggle between North and South."

4. "[Lincoln] was firm "as with a chain of steel" on there being no expansion of slavery from where it already existed. That alone was enough to cause the war, because the slave owners knew that their "futures" in slaves and slave breeding would be compromised unless slavery were allowed to expand."

5. "This geographical barrier [containing slavery] was thrown down in 1854 by the so-called Kansas-Nebraska Bill...[which] placed slavery and freedom on the same footing, commanded the Union government to treat them both with equal indifference"

6. " Lincoln was alarmed by the Kansas-Nebraska Act into becoming more politically active -- because he had a personal abhorance of slavery...he had a solution to at least begin the ending of slavery. And that is what the secessionists found so repugnant."

7. "Lincoln was a very pracical man. He did discover a way to begin to end slavery in the United States. If slavery were confined to areas in which it already existed, it would die"

8. "The whole movement was...based, as one sees, on the slave question. Not in the sense of whether the slaves within the existing slave states should be emancipated outright or not, but whether the twenty million free men of the North should submit any longer to an oligarchy of...slaveholders; whether the vast territories of the republic should be nurseries for free states or for slavery...whether the national policy of the Union should take armed spreading of slavery in Mexico, Central and South America as its device."

9. "[Lincoln] knew that if slavery was limited to areas where it was currently legal, it would die. The slave holders knew it too. That is why slave holders were continually trying to expand territory favorable to gang-labor slavery. That was why the Mexican War was fought and that is why the federal government tried to buy Cuba and that is why slave holders sent expeditions to disrupt Nicaraugua and other Central American locations."

10. "Lincoln bent over backwards to avoid war in his first inaugural. But Jeffeson Davis couldn't allow secession fever to cool. So he fired on Fort Sumter."

11. "It is above all to be remembered that the war did not originate with the North, but with the South...For months [the North] had quietly looked on while the secessionists appropriated the Union's forts, arsenals, shipyards, customs houses, pay offices, ships and supplies of arms, insulted its flag and took prisoner bodies of its troops. Finally the secessionists resolved to force the Union government out of its passive attitude by a blatant act of war, and solely for this reason proceeded to the bombardment of Fort Sumter near Charleston."

12. "[F]rom 1846 to 1861 a free trade system prevailed...Representative Morrill carried his protectionist tariff through Congress only in 1861, after the rebellion had already broken out. Secession, therefore, did not take place because the Morrill tariff had gone through Congress"

13. "[We are fortunate] that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln...to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world."

14. "Lincoln's words show what a great and good man he was, and his actions show [his critics] for a fool or poltroon."

BONUS QUESTION:

Identify the author of this quote denying the sovereignty of the states and advocating the union just like Lincoln did. It could be Walt. It could be Marx. Or it could be somebody else. Take a guess!

"[In America] it is impossible to speak of original sovereignty in regard to the majority of the states. Many of them were not included in the federal complex until long after it had been established. The states that make up the American Union are mostly in the nature of territories, more or less, formed for technical administrative purposes, their boundaries having in many cases been fixed in the mapping office. Originally these states did not and could not possess sovereign rights of their own. Because it was the Union that created most of the so-called states."

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ANSWERS:
1. Walt, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/703308/posts?page=2#2
2. Karl Marx, Address of the International Working Men's Association to President Johnson, 1865
3. Karl Marx, On the North American Civil War, October 20, 1861
4. Walt, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/700651/posts?page=88#88
5. Karl Marx, On the North American Civil War, October 20, 1861
6. Walt, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/688238/posts?page=62#62
7. Walt, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/688238/posts?page=42#42
8. Karl Marx, On the North American Civil War, October 20, 1861
9. Walt, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/688238/posts?page=42#42
10. Walt, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/662922/posts?page=85#85
11. Karl Marx, On the North American Civil War, October 20, 1861
12. Karl Marx, On the North American Civil War, October 20, 1861
13. Karl Marx, letter to Abraham Lincoln congratulating him on reelection as President of the United States, January 28, 1865
14. Walt, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/664750/posts?page=51#51

BONUS: Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf volume II, 1926

334 posted on 08/30/2004 10:15:40 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Can Lincoln expect to subjugate a people thus resolved? No!" - Sam Houston, 3/1863)
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To: capitan_refugio
Sorry, neither you, LG, 4CJ, or NC are going to bait me into discuss your racist, bigoted, Nazi views.

Nazi views? ROTFL!!!! Sorry to disappoint, but to me ALL men are children of God - all descended from Adam and Eve. All equal.

It was #3Idiot, a poster on your side, that espoused a separatist/white supremacist position.

335 posted on 08/30/2004 10:34:49 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) Men die by the calendar, but nations die by their character. - John Armor, 5 Jun 2004 (||)
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To: capitan_refugio
Sorry, neither you, LG, 4CJ, or NC are going to bait me into discuss your racist, bigoted, Nazi views. I have already declined to discuss your Klan views, if you will remember.

I must have stepped over this little dogleg on the sidewalk without noticing it. You can withdraw it now. I share none of the views you unwarrantably ascribe to me .

And by the way, where was my courtesy ping? Oh, right -- you don't do courtesy.

473 posted on 08/31/2004 6:49:06 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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