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To: capitan_refugio
"capture: 2. To gain possession or control of" American Heritage Dictionary

...which necessarily entails a previous owner AND the question of the means by which possession or control is obtained. So I ask you again, WHO did they gain possession or control of it from and HOW did they gain that possession?

Exactly how does a trick imply the use of force?

It implies the use of a military maneuver against a physical enemy. I ask you again, WHO was that enemy that they "tricked"?

I made no claim that the California Cavalry used a ruse capture Fort Davis.

Then why all the commentary about a stratagem?

They rode right in and reclaimed it.

The fort was abandoned, so who was there that they "reclaimed" it from?

You seem to be hallucinating.

And you seem to be projecting again, as the only hallucination evident is on the part of your soldiers who arrived at a stack of ruins in the middle of the desert and believed themselves to have "captured" something.

2,574 posted on 10/05/2004 8:58:13 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
"capture: 2. To gain possession or control of" American Heritage Dictionary

"...which necessarily entails a previous owner AND the question of the means by which possession or control is obtained.

No, it doesn't.

"It implies the use of a military maneuver against a physical enemy. I ask you again, WHO was that enemy that they "tricked"?"
"Then why all the commentary about a stratagem?"

I did not say anyone was tricked. You listed methods of capture and I indicated capture did not require any use of force. Subterfuge suggests an avoidance of brute force. Capture by such methods does not require a single shot to be fired.

"The fort was abandoned, so who was there that they "reclaimed" it from?"

Continued word play to support an otherwise unsupportable position. No one needs to be there. In the case of Fort Bliss, it was captured without opposition from the sick and wounded confedrate soldiers that had been abandoned by their command.

2,584 posted on 10/05/2004 5:25:43 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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