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To: Non-Sequitur
[Non-Seq #2050] The case before the court was not whether their power to issue the writ had been suspended.

Without knowing if their power had been suspended, how could they proceed? In every case, it is absolutely essential to establish jurisdiction to hear the case.

[Non-Seq #2050] That implies that they did have the power but it was denied in this instance.

There is no implication whatever. The court must determine jurisdiction to hear the case. To do so, they must determine if their jurisdiction obtained or had been suspended. The court cannot assume is has jurisdiction.

The court stated, "As preliminary to any investigation of the merits of this motion, this court deems it proper to declare that it disclaims all jurisdiction not given by the constitution, or by the laws of the United States."

[Non-Seq #2050] No, the case was that they lacked the authority to issue the writ in the first place under any circumstances. And the court ruled that they did.

Whatever that says is ambiguous. The court found that it could only have authority to issue a writ of habeas corpus if said authority had been granted by an Act of Congress. It further found that such an Act of Congress existed and gave them such authority.

The court stated, "To enable the court to decide on such question, the power to determine it must he given by written law. The inquiry therefore on this motion will be, whether by any statute, compatible with the constitution of the United States, the power to award a writ of habeas corpus, in such a case as that of Erick Bollman and Samuel Swartwout, has been given to this court. The 14th section of the judicial act (Laws U. S. vol. 1. p. 58.) has been considered as containing a substantive grant of this power."

The court stated, "The decision that the individual shall be imprisoned must always precede the application for a writ of habeas corpus, and this writ must always be for the purpose of revising that decision, and therefore appellate in its nature. But this point also is decided in Hamilton's case and in Burford's case. If at any time the public safety should require the suspension of the powers vested by this act in the courts of the United States, it is for the legislature to say so. That question depends on political considerations, on which the legislature is to decide. Until the legislative will be expressed, this court can only see its duty, and must obey the laws. The motion, therefore, must be granted."

[Non-Seq #2050] Since habeas corpus had not been suspended then that wasn't an issue before the court.

Who had the suspension authority and how did you legally determine, for the court, that it had not been suspended?

[Non-Seq #2050] And since habeas corpus had not been suspended then the question of who may suspend it was certainly not an issue before the court.

Who had the suspension authority and how did you legally determine, for the court, that it had not been suspended?

After the court judicially determined (here for the very first time) that only the Legislature could suspend their power, the court could take judicial notice of the fact that no such Act of Suspension by the Congress had been proclaimed. All such laws by Congress must be publicly proclaimed.

In the absence of a judicial determination of WHO could suspend their power, the Court could not take such judicial notice. For example, if a president or military officer could suspend their power, taking judicial notice would be impossible.

2,053 posted on 09/27/2004 5:40:00 AM PDT by nolu chan (What's the frequency?)
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To: nolu chan
Without knowing if their power had been suspended, how could they proceed?

The court was not investigating if their power had been suspended, they were ruling if they had the power to issue the writ in the first place. As the Chief Justice framed it, "The inquiry therefore on this motion will be, whether by any statute, compatible with the constitution of the United States, the power to award a writ of habeas corpus, in such a case as that of Erick Bollman and Samuel Swartwout, has been given to this court." The Chief justice pointed out the the judicial act laid out which courts could issue the writ of habeas corpus. The question then became was the Supreme Court included in that list? The Chief Justice ruled that it was. The final question was the act of Congress that gave the court the power to issue the writ compatible with the Constitution. And in this, too, Chief Justice Marshall ruled that it was. So none of these three questions addressed the issue of who may suspend habeas corpus because habeas corpus had not been suspended.

Who had the suspension authority and how did you legally determine, for the court, that it had not been suspended?

If habeas corpus has not been suspended then why should the court be ruling on who may suspend it?

If at any time the public safety should require the suspension of the powers vested by this act in the courts of the United States, it is for the legislature to say so.

And had habeas corpus been suspended then this would certainly be a definitive ruling on who may suspend it. But habeas corpus had not been suspended, so this falls under the category of an obiter dictum. Something that a future judge could quote in support of a future ruling if habeas corpus ever was suspended, but not in and of itself a binding legal decision.

2,054 posted on 09/27/2004 6:05:17 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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