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To: stand watie; All
btw,it's worth remembering that the FIRST victim AND the FIRST southern martyr was Officer Heywood Shepard, a VA Conservator of the Peace (YES, that's likely where the term "cop" came from), who was murdered in coldblood by John Brown's pack of theives/terrorists,while in the line of duty.

Mr Shepard was a "free person of colour", who was serving as a sworn VA State Police Officer, at the time of his untimely death.

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1,838 posted on 09/24/2004 2:44:38 PM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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#1838 was supposed to be addressed to GOP capitalist. OOPS!

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1,839 posted on 09/24/2004 2:46:34 PM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: stand watie
where the term "cop" came from

Gee, you keep changing the subject. The term "cop" is from England where it meant constable on patrol. It meant what we mean by duty officer.

1,846 posted on 09/24/2004 3:51:33 PM PDT by Chickamauga (Cump Sherman was our greatest general.)
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To: stand watie
You're just a little font of misinformation, aren't you? First off, it's "Heyward Shepherd," not "Heywood Shepard." Second, I can't find anything listing him as anything like a sworn peace officer. He was the station porter and occasionally the substitute station master, but if you can show me evidence otherwise, please do. It would be interesting to know how they reconciled having a black man as a law officer with the 1831 laws restricting free blacks.

As for the origin of "cop," you're just wrong.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-cop2.htm

<[Q] From Billyboy Mackey: “Could you possibly tell me the origin of the slang term for policemen, cops?”

[A] Half a dozen explanations at least have been put forward for this one, including an acronym from “constable on patrol”, which is reminiscent of the story behind posh and quite certainly just as spurious. It is also said to come from the copper badges carried by New York City’s first police sergeants (patrolmen were alleged to have had brass ones and senior officers silver); it is almost as often said to refer to the supposedly copper buttons of the first London police force of the 1820s. Both these stories seem about equally unlikely.

The most probable explanation is that it comes from the slang verb cop, meaning “to seize”, originally a dialect term of northern England which by the beginning of the nineteenth century was known throughout the country. This can be followed back through the French caper to the Latin capere, “to seize, take”, from which we also get our capture.

The situation is complicated because there are—or have been—a number of other slang meanings for cop, including “to give somebody a blow”, and the phrase cop out, as an escape or retreat. Both of these may come from the Latin capere. But it’s suggested that another sense of cop, “to steal”, could come from the Dutch kapen, “to take or steal”. There’s also “to beware, take care”, an Anglo-Indian term from the Portuguese coprador, and phrases like “you’ll cop it!” (“you’ll be punished, you’ll get into trouble”), which could come from the idea of seizing or catching, but may be a variant of catch.

But the “seize; capture” origin for the police sense seems most plausible. So policemen are just those who catch or apprehend criminals, a worthy occupation. And a copper is someone who seizes, a usage first recorded in Britain in 1846.

1,848 posted on 09/24/2004 4:40:12 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: stand watie
Mr Shepard was a "free person of colour", who was serving as a sworn VA State Police Officer, at the time of his untimely death.

You would have us believe that Mr. Sheperd, a "free person of colour", who could not vote in Virginia, be a member of the miltia in Virginia, and who could be expelled from the Commonwealth of Virginia altogether if the legislature decided to do so, had arrest powers over white people as part of an organization that wouldn't be established until over 60 years after he died? As our esteemed friends across the pond would say, pull the other one. It's got bells on it.

1,849 posted on 09/24/2004 5:15:37 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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