Really? Cause that makes for three deceptions, all of the uncorrected, right there.
The Republican Party is the "Party of Lincoln."
It was at one time. It generally has not been since 1964 in all parts of the nation, and it never has been during its post reconstruction existence in the south. My state even bears the unusual distinction of never having been under Lincoln's rule since we left before he was inaugurated and were the last to come back well after his assassination. So why should the Republican Party of Texas celebrate a man who never did any good for our state, never ruled our state, and was despised by our state's heroes and founders such as Sam Houston?
How very embarrassing it must have been to you all to have been so unceremoniously slam dunked. Not only did the moderators not pull my posts, they pulled the whole thread instead. It seems your "tight-fisted temper tantrums" did not account to a hill of beans.
"Violence in posts and personally abusive invective (Capitan_refugio's #1488 having been called to my attention) are mentioned in FR's TOS"
I didn't realize you guys even paid attention to those rules! After all, we have these gems to consider:
To: capitan_refugio
As I see it, the South owes Lincoln a debt of gratitude.
"For slaughtering thousands, for raping our women, for killing 623,000 of our finest men, for destroying our homes, our crops, our churches, our families? You genocidal bast*rd, you advocate the policies of Hitler, Stalin and Sadaam Hussein. Is there a school you go to to learn to be a dictator in the making?"
1,504 posted on 09/19/2004 7:46:56 AM PDT by 4ConservativeJustices
Now there is a person who has a way with words. I hope you had a clean pair of underwear after dropping that load.
Then we have:
To: capitan_refugio
"Bullsh*t...."
"Contrived Stalinist bullsh*t...."
"As I said, contrived Stalinist bullsh*t and you are full of it tonight...."
"Bullsh^t."
1,377 posted on 09/18/2004 12:01:29 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
A little bit redundant, but I did like the use of the ^ for style! Oh, I forgot the best part form that post:
"As far as I'm concerned you can rot in hell with Generals Milroy, Sherman, and the false god of Lincoln to which you practice your idolatrous and blasphemous religion of tyranny."
And now we have the "class" of the class:
To: GOPcapitalist "Stalin would be proud of you.
"So would Count Vigo.
"Yeah, that's right, capitan, I'm talking about you over here. Wanna courtesy ping? Earn it."
1,420 posted on 09/18/2004 8:21:28 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
To: GOPcapitalist
"Simply put, it would seem that you are intentionally perpetrating a fraud and hoping that nobody will double check your work to catch it.
"I pinged him and asked for an explanation way back up the thread, but he blew me off
"Now, his attention having been called to this stuff three times previously (nolu chan, 4ConservativeJustices, and me), he does it again.
"This sucks.
Yeah, that's right, dude. Still talking about you over here.
1,422 posted on 09/18/2004 8:26:27 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
If I had known I'd hurt your feelings by not responding to every silly-ass comment of yours, I would have replied. I'll be more considerate in the future. And I promise not to tell you again to try an anatomically impossible auto-erotic procedure.
And now, some moralistic wisdom:
"To: lentulusgracchus
"You did not lament the existance of slavers, you lamented the existance of anyone who doesn't toe the federal line, flat-out said that you desired their extinction, and said that anything that was done to bring it about was justified." "Very true, and very sick. As far as I'm concerned he has wholly forfeited his write to turn to a moral argument against slavery as his trump card. Even the most avid confederate will concede the sinfulness of slavery and make no effort to try and defend it. But he excuses away and even CELEBRATES a much greater sin than slavery, a sin against human liberty. He celebrates and defends murder in the most brutal and despotic forms, and that is a sin against human life itself making it necessarily more severe in effect than a sin against human liberty. He has no claim upon any moral argument anymore and I will happily point that out to him whenever he tries to use one out of convenience to his idol."
"1,425 posted on 09/18/2004 8:51:52 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist"
Last time I heard dialog this good was in the movie "Pulp Fiction." Be sure you share it with your pastor. And you might want to discuss the concept of "bearing false witness."
I think you should all consider taking off the panties and skirts and putting on some pants. You are beginning to sound like a bunch of junior high school girls at a sleepover.
Texas never under Lincoln bump
You might also mention that Sam Houston opposed secession and refused to swear allegiance to the confederate government, for which he was drummed out of the governor's office.
Sorry for the delay on the last part of this reply. I had to dig up an old book by Aurora Hunt, entitled The Army of the Pacific: 1860-1866, published in 1951, but recently reprinted.
Your contention that Lincoln "never ruled our state" is correct insofar as you mean the whole state. There were parts of Texas that were re-occupied by Union forces for most of the ACW. Hunt writes:
"The column from California is coming!" That was discouraging news for the retreating Texans, but welsome, indeed, to the commander of the Department of New Mexico, General Edward E. S. Canby, and his small force of Federal troops and Colorado and New mexico volunteers.
General Carleton's Californians were on their way, yet there were still many miles of rough marching between the Rio Grande and Tuscon where troops were then concentrating. Carefully Carleton planned theis last lap of his journey across the unsettled territory."
More information can be found in the War of the Rebellion, Offical Records. Here are some excepts regarding the retaking of the forts and posts along the Rio Grande in the Summer and Fall of 1862. The Confederate troops were forces all the way back to San Antonio.
[Inclosure I.] HEADQUARTERS DISTRICT OF ARIZONA, Las Cruses, N. Mex., August 15, 1865.
Brigadier General E. R. S. CANBY,
Commanding Department of New Mexico, Santa Fe, N. Mex.:
GENERAL: I wrote to you a letter from Ojo de la Vaca on the 2nd instant advising you of the strength of the forces under my command then en route to the Rio Grandle. Since then I have not received any letters from your headquarters advising me of the receipt of that communication. The inclosed general orders (Nos. 14 and 15, from these headquarters) will give you an idea of the force stationed at Mesilla. In Las Cruses there are four companies of the Fifth U. S. Infantry; at Fort Fillmore there are Shinn's light battery, Third U. S. Artillery; Companies A and E, First California Volunteer Infantry; Company B, Fifth California Volunteer Infantry, and Companies B and D, First California Volunteer Cavalry, and Company B, Second California Volunteer Cavalry. I places all the cavalry and nearly all the quartermaster's wagons and teams at Fort Fillmore on account of the good grazing in that vicinity and the abundance of mesquite beans now in tat neighborhood, which for the present precludes the necessity of purchasing much forage. As there are sufficient quarters at La Mesilla for the four companies of the Fifth U. S. Infantry I shall establish them in that town, unless otherwise directed by yourself, at least for the present. The emulation which will naturally spring up between them and the volunteers, as to who shall best perform their duties, will, in my opinion, be of great service to both; besides, there is a fine building there, where the supplies - quartermaster's and subsistence - can be kept free of expense, and the town of Mesilla is said to be a cooler and healthier locality than Las Cruses. Colonel Howe wrote to me desiring that I would send these four companies to Fort Craig, but this I do not feel authorized to do unless your order it. Mr. Woods the beef contractor, wrote me a note in relationto furnishing beef for my command. It is herewith inclosed,* together with my reply. I hope my desicion in this case will meet with your approval. I have not yet learned officially whether Mr. Woods will or not supply beef for only the four companies of regulars; I have heard that he would not. To-morrow I leave for Fort Bliss, in Texas, with Companies B, of the First, and B, of the Second, California Volunteer Cavalry. Company C, First California Volunteer Cavalry, is already at Hart's Mill, as you had doubtless heard previous to my arrival. There are many matters of moment which required my attention, as I have heard, in the neighorhood of Fort Bliss.
I am, general, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
JAMES H. CARLETON,
Brigadier-General, Commanding.
O.R. Ser I, Vol. L, pt. 1, pg 110-111
[Inclosure K.] GENERAL ORDERS,
HDQRS. COLUMN FROM CALIFORNIA, CAMP ON RIO GRANDE, Numbers 16.
Near Fort Quitman, Tex., August 22, 1865.
I. At 12 m. to-day Captain John C. Cremony, with his company (B, of the Second California Volunteer Cavalry), will proceed to Fort Quitman and hoist over it the national colors the old Stars and Stripes. By this act still another post comes under its rightful flag and once more becomes consecrated to the United States.
II. Captain Edmond D. Shirland, First California Volunteer Cavalry, will proceed without delay, yet by easy marches, to Fort Davis, Tex., and hoist over that post the national colors. If Captain Shirland finds any sick or wounded soldiers there he will make them prisoners of war, but put them upon their parole and let them proceed without delay to Texas. If they are unable to travel, captain Shirland will report to these headquarters by express what they need in the way of surgical or medical attention; what they need in the way of food or transportation, and all other essential facts connected with them which it may be necessary to have known to have them properly cared for. If the fort is abandoned, Captain Shirland will retrace his steps and report in person to these headquarters.
III. Twenty effective men will be ordered from Company B, First California Volunteer Cavalry toreport to Captain Shirland for detached service to Fort Davis, Tex.
By order of Brigadier-General Carleton;
BEN. C. CUTLER,
O.R. Ser I, Vol. L, pt. 1, pg 111
[Inclosure N.] HEADQUARTERS DEPARTMENT OF NEW MEXICO, Santa Fe., N. Mex., August 21, 1862.
Brigadier General JAMES H. CARLETON,
Commanding District of Arizona, Fort Bliss, Tex.:
GENERAL: The commanding general desires that you will arrange the affairs of your district so that the command may be turned over to the officer next in rank as soon as practicable, and hold yourself in readiness to repair to the headquarters of the department.
Very respectfully, your obedient servant,
GURDEN CHAPIN
O.R. Ser. I, Vol. L, pt. 1, pg. 113-114
[Inclosure Q.] HEADQUARTERS DISTRICT OF ARIZONA, Franklin (El Paso), Tex., September 1, 1862.
COMMANDER OF CONFEDERATE TROOPS, SAN ANTONIO, TEX.:
SIR: I found on my arrival here some twenty-odd such and wounded soldiers of the C. S. Army, whom I was ordered by General Canby, commanding the Department of New Mexico, to make prisoners of war. These men, at their earnest solicitation, I sent to San Antonio on their parole. They have been furnished with rations of subsistence for forty days and with such medicines and hospital stores as were necessary for them on the road. I have also furnished two wagons for the transportation of those who are unable to walk, and I have sent an escort of one lieutenant and twenty-five rank and file of the First California Volunteer Cavalry to guard them from attack by Mexicans or Indians until a sufficient force from your army is met, to whom they may be transferred, or until they reach some point near San Antonio, where from thence onward they can travel with safety. From that point the lieutenant is ordered to return with his party and all the means of transportation belonging to the United States with which he instructed for the use of his escort and benefit of these prisoners.
I have the honor to be, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
JAMES H. CARLETON,
Brigadier-General, U. S. Army, Commanding.
O.R. Ser. I, Vol. L, pt. 1, pg. 114