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To: Gianni
Although you misrepresent my argument, your conclusion is substantially correct. Let me correct your misunderstanding.

It was a good thing the south was devastated in the ACW.
There has not been since then another attempt to overthrow the government of the people.

It was a good thing the south was devastated in the ACW.
The inhumane institution of human slavery was, in this country, snuffed out because of it.

It was a good thing the south was devastated in the ACW.
The vital principle of constitutional rule was upheld, rather than be allowed to degenerate into despotism and anarchy.

It was a good thing the south was devastated in the ACW.
A "balkanized" North America, without a strong and free United States, would have become the devil's playground in misery, oppression, and endless war.

It is an especially good thing the south was devastated in the ACW.
Because the founding principles of "all men are created equal," and that they have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" actually continued to mean something.

The United States, today, is the greatest nation in the history of mankind, a beacon of liberty and freedom to the rest of the world, due in no small part to the victory of the Union over the forces of the confederacy.

1,471 posted on 09/18/2004 11:17:03 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
There has not been since then another attempt to overthrow the government of the people.

How can a government be constituted "of the people" when half of its very existence is predicated upon holding a bayonet to the chests of the people living there?

The inhumane institution of human slavery was, in this country, snuffed out because of it.

Once again, you've forfeited your right to pass moral judgment on that institution by giving your sanction and endorsement to a far more grievous sin: murder by torture. Your position is thus akin to the abortionist who crusades against capital punishment.

The vital principle of constitutional rule was upheld, rather than be allowed to degenerate into despotism and anarchy.

Tearing down a constitution in a professed attempt to save it still leaves you with a violated and thus voided document. As to despotism, one cannot degenerate into what is already established in the policies of Lincoln, most notably his wanton abuses of the judicial branch of the government.

A "balkanized" North America, without a strong and free United States, would have become the devil's playground in misery, oppression, and endless war.

Exactly how would an agreement to separate in peace, or even the successful reaching of a separation by war in which definitive boundaries were decided, produce "balkanization," a tendency that occurs only in locations where (1) two or more historically conflicted peoples share the same land or (2) the same historically conflicted people live in different locations but are forced against their will to unite under a common political boundary and government.

Because the founding principles of "all men are created equal," and that they have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" actually continued to mean something.

How can life mean something when it is wantonly deprived to almost a million men? How can liberty mean something when it is trumped by military convenience? How can the pursuit of happiness mean something when a despot employs force to prevent men from exercising that pursuit?

1,476 posted on 09/18/2004 11:56:49 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Can Lincoln expect to subjugate a people thus resolved? No!" - Sam Houston, 3/1863)
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To: capitan_refugio
If you could please, demonstrate a causal relationship between destruction of the South and the things that you claim... Note, in order to do so, you have to demonstrate that no peaceful resolution to any one of your claims was possible.

Until then:

It was a good thing that another attempt to overthrow the government has not been attempted.

It was a good thing the inhumane institution of human slavery was, in this country, snuffed out.

It was a good thing the vital principle of constitutional rule was upheld, restored by later patriots.

It was a good thing that a "balkanized" North America never came into being.

It is an especially good thing the founding principles of "all men are created equal," and that they have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" actually continued were made to mean something.

The United States, today, is the greatest nation in the history of mankind, a beacon of liberty and freedom to the rest of the world.

1,502 posted on 09/19/2004 5:31:15 AM PDT by Gianni
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