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To: stand watie
An estimated 30% or more of the soldiers and officers in the confederate forces were from "slave-holding families." They had a vested stake in the institution of slavery.

The largest of all the war "crimes" committed was starting the war in the first place, and that dishonor belongs to the South. You neo-rebs are not unlike the insurrectionists in Iraq. You venerate the Ayatollah (Davis), try to pull down the lawful government, misrepresent yourselves, play to sectional prejudices, use lies and deceit to further your propaganda. The Iraqi insurgents have taken a page right out of the southern playbook, by hoping to unsettle an upcoming, lawful election by the loyal people, and change administrations.

It didn't work in 1864 and it won't work in 2004. Watch what happens over the next 12-18 months, and I am sure when all is said an done, there will still remain a few insurrectionists Iraqi pigs to squeal about the big bad Yankees.

1,467 posted on 09/18/2004 10:46:54 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
An estimated 30% or more of the soldiers and officers in the confederate forces were from "slave-holding families."

Which, even if we are to take your unsourced claim as accurate, still leaves the other 70%, or a clear majority. To put that figure in perspective, if Bush were to win the election by 55% it would be called a landslide.

1,475 posted on 09/18/2004 11:46:26 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Can Lincoln expect to subjugate a people thus resolved? No!" - Sam Houston, 3/1863)
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To: capitan_refugio
The largest of all the war "crimes" committed was starting the war in the first place, and that dishonor belongs to the South.

Secession was political in nature. If it was a crime, it was for the legislature to say so... before the act. They did not. Even if they had, it's validity would be in question; the only proper way to stop it was through a Constitutional amendment. Could an amendment have made it? Well, I would question even that, since 3/4 of the states would be binding in permanence a previously voluntary act by the remainder. Note the language in the Constitution regarding ratification: the Constitution did not take effect between all 13 on the ratification of the 9th; rather it took effect only between those 9.

You neo-rebs are not unlike the insurrectionists in Iraq.

And yet it is El Capitan calling for an ideological cleansing through mass murder. As I said before, you disgust me.

You venerate the Ayatollah (Davis),

Make that comparison.

try to pull down the lawful government,

The lawful government is dictated by the sovereign People in convention. It was thier will that was thwarted, and any attempt to call the government during war and reconstruction lawful deserves a laugh.

misrepresent yourselves,

Provide an example. You cannot.

play to sectional prejudices,

It is El Capitan who continues to push a political discussion onto the topic of slavery.

use lies and deceit to further your propaganda.

It is El Capitan who has been caught lying. Not once. Not twice. Three times. His response?

[El Capitan, #1462] Big deal.

Once might be an honest mistake. Twice? Maybe I could believe that. Thrice, and response of 'big deal' - outrageous and dishonest.

The Iraqi insurgents have taken a page right out of the southern playbook, by hoping to unsettle an upcoming, lawful election by the loyal people, and change administrations.

The only documented election tampering (courtesy of Spoons) sounds more like that of the previous Iraqi regime. I would not have made the comparison; you invite it, in fact you force it. So where are your facts, El Capitan?

I am sure when all is said an done, there will still remain a few insurrectionists Iraqi pigs to squeal about the big bad Yankees.

In the absence of #3fan, I guess it truly is up to you to be the leader of insult, bigotry, and truly base argument and commentary. It's getting out of hand now.

1,501 posted on 09/19/2004 5:14:25 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: capitan_refugio
by whose estimate???? CAN you post an ORIGIONAL SOURCE DOCUMENT that backs up your false/SILLY claim????

the TRUTH is that MORE than 90% of dixie's forces has GROSS ASSETS of LESS than twenty-five dollars($ 25.00).most didn't own more than 2 shirts;they could NOT have afforded slaves. that comment makes me LOL AT you! (YOU ARE smarter THAN THAT.)

the PACSA was a PEASANT ARMY, led by a handful of intellectuals & professional military officers like REL. (that's ONE of the major reasons that they didn't WIN the WBTS. no money/not enough THINGS. the ONLY thing the southland's forces had in abundance was GRIT!)

free dixie,sw

1,517 posted on 09/19/2004 11:17:02 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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