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To: stand watie
"i know you don't want to believe what federal troops did to INNOCENTS, particuliarly Roman Catholics & Jews, "the poorest of the poor", persons "of color" (particuliarly slaves!) AND recent immigrants; nonetheless the accounts are CORRECT!"

I know that atrocities occur in all wars and are committed by all parties involved. many times atrocities occur in the form of reprisals for earlier atrocities. With that said, I also know that the losers often cry "foul!" It is psychological and a way to deal with the devastating effects of defeat, as well as a way of rationalizing their own culpability.

Pardon me if I don't just take your word of it.

Possibly you would like to read this new book:

Black Flag over Dixie: Racial Atrocities and Reprisals in the Civil War
Gregory J. W. Urwin, editor

Black Flag over Dixie: Racial Atrocities and Reprisals in the Civil War highlights the central role that race played in the Civil War by examining some of the ugliest incidents that played out on its battlefields. Challenging the American public’s perception of the Civil War as a chivalrous family quarrel, twelve rising and prominent historians show the conflict to be a wrenching social revolution whose bloody excesses were exacerbated by racial hatred.

Edited by Gregory J. W. Urwin, this compelling volume focuses on the tendency of Confederate troops to murder black Union soldiers and runaway slaves and divulges the details of black retaliation and the resulting cycle of fear and violence that poisoned race relations during Reconstruction. In a powerful introduction to the collection, Urwin reminds readers that the Civil War was both a social and a racial revolution. As the heirs and defenders of a slave society’s ideology, Confederates considered African Americans to be savages who were incapable of waging war in a civilized fashion. Ironically, this conviction caused white Southerners to behave savagely themselves. Under the threat of Union retaliation, the Confederate government backed away from failing to treat the white officers and black enlisted men of the United States Colored Troops as legitimate combatants. Nevertheless, many rebel commands adopted a no-prisoners policy in the field. When the Union’s black defenders responded in kind, the Civil War descended to a level of inhumanity that most Americans prefer to forget.

In addition to covering the war’s most notorious massacres at Olustee, Fort Pillow, Poison Spring, and the Crater, Black Flag over Dixie examines the responses of Union soldiers and politicians to these disturbing and unpleasant events, as well as the military, legal, and moral considerations that sometimes deterred Confederates from killing all black Federals who fell into their hands. Twenty photographs and a map of massacre and reprisal sites accompany the volume.

The contributors are Gregory J. W. Urwin, Anne J. Bailey, Howard C. Westwood, James G. Hollandsworth Jr., David J. Coles, Albert Castel, Derek W. Frisby, Weymouth T. Jordan Jr., Gerald W. Thomas, Bryce A. Suderow, Chad L. Williams, and Mark Grimsley.

1,368 posted on 09/17/2004 10:13:00 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
what UTTER HOGWASH.

please go tell Sirena of this forum that the COLDBLOODED MURDER of her G-G-Grandfather,a CSA PVT soldier late of the 4th SC Cavalry, by the staff of Point Lookout DEATH CAMP was PERFECTLY OK.

but i would suggest that you "stand out of range" when you do so.

btw, in the last 24 hours i've gotten 4 reports from freepers of damnyankee atrocities committed against THEIR families.

"black flag over dixie" appears to be nothing more or less than a regurgitation of lies, propaganda,wishful thinking & nonsense, promulgated by the REVISIONISTS in the hope that they can turn southern eyes away from what was done in the name of the union to their families. there is, to the knowledge of "academic peer reviewers", NOTHING NEW in the book. (and NO i have NOT read the book. i don't buy books that won't pass the "smell test". what i do read are the ORIGIONAL source documents.)

free dixie,sw

1,408 posted on 09/18/2004 7:43:59 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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