Lincoln’s 'Great Crime': The Arrest Warrant for the Chief Justice

Lew Rockwell.com ^ | August 19, 2004 | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

[capitan_refugio]

If the slave-holding south had been true to the natural law principles upon which this nation was founded, including but not limited to, "all men a re created equal," they could not have based their entire political existence on the furtherment of human slavery. To rationalize their philosophical disconnect with the founding principles, the opined that negro slaves were sub-human. The leadership of the south went so far as to claim that slavery was a "positive good" and that the slave-holding south represented the most perfect society of all time.

That is the legacy which you embrace.

[nolu chan]

[cr #339] I find that you did not deny the bigotry, predjudice (sic), and racism explicit in your position to be very revealing.

[cr #264] What?! I'm not part of the "Wlat Brigade" anymore? I am truly hurt. You should at least ping others you attempt to smear.

I find the fact that much of the brigade has been barred from FR to be very revealing.

[capitan_refugio]

"It's funny how quickly and conveniently he "forgets" that his former buddy, with whom he was actively conversing and lavishing support not two weeks ago, was just outed as a neo-nazi aryan nation type."

I wasn't involved with those flame wars. Those who were participating were embarassing themselves.

[4CJ]

Taney was, fundamentally, a disloyal southerner

Bravo Sierra!

Taney and took an oath to defend the Constitution, not one to worship Lincoln.

[4CJ]

Those who were participating were embarassing themselves.

You want the Mods to remove a post quoting Hitler (which supported Lincoln), yet #3Fan's posts espousing white supremacy/separatism to go unchallenged?

[capitan_refugio]

"I find the fact that much of the brigade has been barred from FR to be very revealing."

I am "accused" of associations that don't exist - except maybe in the paranoid minds of your cabal. (The "Wlat Brigade" is an invention of your tortured ego.) I agree or disagree with posters based on the content of their posts. I was supposed to have "lavish conversations" with them. Odd that I don;t remember any such thing. With few exceptions, I know none of them personally or correspond with them. Watching your cabal for several years only reinforces that I wouldn't want to know you personally. We may agree on some points, and disagree on others, but I avoid associating with those whose espouse an inherently racist position.

With regard to posting quotations from Hitler on FR, or smearing posters with nazi innuendo, would you like to put the question directly to Jim Robinson? He is our host, afterall, and personally yanked the thread that you guys turned into a flame war.

I'll wait for your reply.

[capitan_refugio]

I never saw those alleged posts. I was gone for a couple of day, taking my daughter to college. I had to freep-mail rustbucket to find out what happened. Before I left, I had posted that all of you guys better cut it out, or the tread would be pulled.

Take responsibility for your own posts, and don't suggest I'm responsible or support posts I never saw. Do you too support the posting of Hitler quotations by GOPcapitalist and others at FR?

[capitan_refugio]

"You want the Mods to remove a post quoting Hitler ..."

I asked GOPcapitalist to remove it. He posted it. He was responsible for its content.

[nolu chan]

cr#264

To: GOPcapitalist; Non-Sequitur

What?! I'm not part of the "Wlat Brigade" anymore? I am truly hurt. You should at least ping others you attempt to smear.

264 posted on 08/29/2004 4:12:50 AM CDT by capitan_refugio
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GOPcap #259

To: nolu chan

Check out 255. He actually seems astounded to discover that there are a bunch of law articles out there that denote awareness of the presence of obiter dictum in the Bollman ruling!

Of course, in the capitan_refugio/non-sequitur school of law, all it takes to find obiter dictum is to do a google search for a case name and the word "dicta." If it pulls up a hit then you get free license to go through the case and slap the obiter dictum label on any passage of it that you don't like.

259 posted on 08/29/2004 3:38:59 AM CDT by GOPcapitalist ("Can Lincoln expect to subjugate a people thus resolved? No!" - Sam Houston, 3/1863)
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[capitan_refugio]

"Taney and took an oath to defend the Constitution"

Tell that to Dred Scott.

[nolu chan]

[cr] Watching your cabal for several years only reinforces that I wouldn't want to know you personally. We may agree on some points, and disagree on others, but I avoid associating with those whose espouse an inherently racist position.

LINK

While I was at the hotel to-day an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]---that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

-- Abraham Lincoln, Charleston, Illinois, on Saturday, September 18, 1858

[cr] With regard to posting quotations from Hitler on FR, or smearing posters with nazi innuendo, would you like to put the question directly to Jim Robinson?

An accurate quote of Hitler or anyone else is acceptable. What is unacceptable is espousing or praising the doctrine therein, such as was done by the most recently banned brigade member. He was not smeared, he was quoting and espousing neo-nazi doctrine. The other thread where he was posting the same neo-nazi doctrine was also pulled in its entirety and none of us was on that thread at all. That clearly narrows down the reason the two threads were pulled.

[capitan_refugio]

"An accurate quote of Hitler or anyone else is acceptable."

We know your position. Anyone else?

[Gianni]

Taney was, fundamentally, a disloyal southerner.

Back to your roots, I see.

1. Lincoln 'saved the Constitution.'
2. Some disagreed that Lincoln was acting per the Constitution.
3. How can they say such a thing about someone who saved the Constitution???

[4CJ]

Tell that to Dred Scott.

Cry me a river. Do you expect me to believe that all those yankee flesh peddlers didn't consider slaves to be property? That they considered them their equals? In 1790, the very FIRST US Naturalization/Citizenship ACT expressly limited citizenship to WHITES only:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House Of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any alien, being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof ...
An ACT to Establish a Uniform Rule of Naturalization, 26 Mar 1790

Taney defended the Constitution.

[capitan_refugio]

I didn't ping you on the posting of Hitler quotations. If you read through the latest posts, you would seen the discussion. Do you have a position?

[Gianni]

We know your position. Anyone else?

It's painfully obvious what you're trying to do.

Such may be acceptable in a strip 100 miles inland between LALA land and the Land of Fruits and Nuts. In the balance of the country, it's the mark of a true ass.

I'm asking nicely: Please, pretty please with sugar on top, knock it off.

[4CJ]

Now your position is one of complete censorship of history? Were 6 million Jews murdered by name redacted? Didn't name redacted attempt to conquer the world? Wasn't name redacted an evil man? Didn't name redacted hold to some of the same positions as Lincoln?

[TexConfederate1861]

You are quite welcome....good to see another Texan on board.

[Gianni]

Didn't name redacted hold to some of the same positions as Lincoln?

With respect to the nature of the Union, the same positions espoused by Lincoln's modern-day apologists, even if different from those of the man himself.

I believe it all started with a note that Lincoln and name redacted used indifferentiable methods to overthrow the civil authority with military force, regardless of where either ultimately took it. Rather than respond properly, or point out any flaw in the argument itself, it looks like screaming and stomping of feet seemed like the thing to do.

[GOPcapitalist]

I find that you did not deny the bigotry, predjudice, and racism explicit in your position to be very revealing.

I take it that in your perverse world "bigotry, predjudice, and racism" is defined to be the act of denouncing nazis and getting aryan nation types like your buddy #3 kicked off the forum? Strange...