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To: horatio

Name calling is the best you can do. But is there any real substance related to your gripes? Certainly, there are some Creationists that don't have a scientific background. And a subset of this group doesn't know what they are talking about. But you seem to think there are no questions related to science. You seem to think that the scientific community has it all figured out. Is this true? Is macro-evolution established fact? Have we gone back into time and observed it? Hardly!

Perhaps, just one of you could present some evidence explaining the difference between ID and the creation movement. Specifically, what are the arguments against evolution? What does the Intelligent Design community say and how do their arguments challenge naturalism -- specifically what does Dr Dembski say? Do the Creationists have no arguments against evolution? Is their framework totally without merit?

You all seem to be parrots of the academic establishment, intellectually devoid of balance, unwilling to look at another point of view. Most of you seem to be ignorant and don't know what you are talking about!


154 posted on 08/13/2004 2:21:29 PM PDT by nasamn777 (The most strident evolutionists have put their heads in the sands of ignorance)
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To: nasamn777

I didn't name call. "Creation science" is not science. I'm not saying anything bad about people who believe in it, other than they don't follow the scientific method. That's hardly name-calling.

Science isn't about magically knowing all the answers. It's a process, in which knowledge is slowly built. Modern science doesn't pretend to know all the answers to everything. Creationists do. Real scientists know that a lack of complete knowledge does not mean that existing knowledge is false.

Once creationists admit that their premise could be wrong, and evolution could be right, then I'll debate them. Scientists admit that their premises could be wrong. Evolution, however, has been tested and tested and tested.

IDers admit that evolution is a fact. That I can respect. If they want to believe that god shapes evolution, that is their right and I can respect that. Creationists? Nope. Won't pretend that's anywhere near science. I admire their beliefs in the face of all evidence, but I won't presume to try to change their minds.

The only scientists who don't believe in evolution are those who decided that they wouldn't believe in it before they started. That's a position that no one can debate with, as they have already shown that they don't want the truth, only their dogma.


155 posted on 08/13/2004 3:05:52 PM PDT by horatio
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