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Marijuana Prohibition: Who Does It Protect?
Free Times ^ | July 22, 2004 | Henry Koch

Posted on 07/23/2004 7:55:29 AM PDT by cryptical

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To: Protagoras
That is certainly not my experiendce after self medicating with reefer since the late 1970's.

I never made that statement.

41 posted on 07/23/2004 10:09:20 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: VaBthang4

"Yeah and drug dealing is easy money for losers who don't wanna get a job."

Very few "drug dealers" support themselves by dealing drugs. The vast majority of people who sell pot are pot smokers who buy extra for a quantity discount and sell a little so their pot will be free and probably for a little spare cash. Most all I've ever come across have jobs. There are people making big money somewhere up the delivery chain, but the vast majority of "retail suppliers" out there participating in the black market aren't making a living from their activities. Most of them are only selling a little to their friends, especially in the small towns all over America where they don't have open air drug markets in parks and in the projects where people sell to complete strangers.


42 posted on 07/23/2004 10:14:42 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: cryptical

bump


43 posted on 07/23/2004 10:17:39 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: rhombus

"Are there no fines assessed?"

Fines are rare in the drug mule and delivery cases because usually these guys are going to prison and most don't have any money anyway. Otherwise they'd hire private attorneys. In standard possession cases fines are usually assessed, but these funds if collected are squandered by the counties or cities who impose them. Public defenders in my state are paid by the state, not by counties or cities.


44 posted on 07/23/2004 10:20:39 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: Indie
The "user" status of a poster is irrelevant to this discussion.

Nonsense. Maybe to you, but that doesn't make it so.

Calling them a "criminal" is also irrelevant.

Nonsense. Using drugs is a crime. Those who do it are criminals by definition. I don't take lectures on crime from criminals.

Are all bad laws to be obeyed?

No. But when the criminal is advocating laws which they themselves have violated it is hypocritical at best.

Where do you draw the line on resistance to improper and corrupt government authority?

I can see you are defending yourself by defending the poster. If you start advocating incarceration for others who have committed the same crimes as you when you haven't served your sentence, you will come in for the same criticism.

If you want to start calling people who violate prohibition criminals, call us all criminals,

Anyone who commits crimes is a criminal. I didn't write the laws. In fact I oppose the WOD.

It's not against the law to not "lift a hand" to stop people from doing legal things. In fact, it's against the law to stop them. Your idea about everyone being criminals and murderers is moronic.

BTW, not that it matters, but I oppose abortion and I "lift a hand" to vote for pro life candidates.

45 posted on 07/23/2004 10:21:42 AM PDT by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: TKDietz
Fines are rare in the drug mule and delivery cases because usually these guys are going to prison and most don't have any money anyway. Otherwise they'd hire private attorneys. In standard possession cases fines are usually assessed, but these funds if collected are squandered by the counties or cities who impose them. Public defenders in my state are paid by the state, not by counties or cities.

Good information. I have no doubt that the overall impact is a net loss.

46 posted on 07/23/2004 10:22:45 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: cinFLA
I post the proof. I copied because I knew you deny it sooner or later.

To: Labyrinthos That is certainly not my experiendce after self medicating with reefer since the late 1970's. I used to "self-medicate" with reefers but I grew out of that phase. 16 posted on 07/21/2004 8:44:33 AM CDT by cinFLA [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

47 posted on 07/23/2004 10:23:15 AM PDT by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: Protagoras
I post the proof. I copied because I knew you deny it sooner or later.

Please post a link to the post. Anyone can write anything with a keyboard.

48 posted on 07/23/2004 10:24:49 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Protagoras
That is certainly not my experiendce after self medicating with reefer since the late 1970's.

I absoutely declare that I never made that statement and that I did not self-medicate in the late 1970's.

49 posted on 07/23/2004 10:26:10 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cryptical

We Shall Overcome...

50 posted on 07/23/2004 10:27:35 AM PDT by Petronski (Sandy Berger believes there's no int'l dispute that can't be solved by the U.S walking away from it.)
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To: cryptical
"Marijuana arrests account for almost 80 percent of all drug arrests."

Anyone know where this guy gets his numbers?

According to the FBI's 2000 numbers, Table 4.1, 40.9% of all drug arrests were for marijuana possession and 5.6% for marijuana sales/distribution. That's 46.5% total, not 80%.

Of the 2.1 million prisoners, about 400,000 (20%) are drug offenders, and most of them are scumbag drug dealers or drug traffickers.

51 posted on 07/23/2004 10:27:41 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: cinFLA
I never made that statement

Nice try, I see your attempt to mislead. This is what you said in bold. The other statement was made by the other poster.

To: Labyrinthos

That is certainly not my experiendce after self medicating with reefer since the late 1970's. I used to "self-medicate" with reefers but I grew out of that phase.

16 posted on 07/21/2004 8:44:33 AM CDT by cinFLA [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

52 posted on 07/23/2004 10:28:46 AM PDT by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: cinFLA
I absoutely declare that I never made that statement and that I did not self-medicate in the late 1970's.

LOL, nice try. I posted the evidence.

53 posted on 07/23/2004 10:29:39 AM PDT by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: cryptical
Marijuana Prohibition: Who Does It Protect?

Works pretty good for my dealer. ;)

54 posted on 07/23/2004 10:30:24 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Protagoras
Nice try, I see your attempt to mislead. This is what you said in bold. The other statement was made by the other poster.

Pointing out your errors is misleading? Hmmm.

55 posted on 07/23/2004 10:30:30 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA

Hippie.


56 posted on 07/23/2004 10:30:53 AM PDT by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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To: cinFLA

Have you ever used paper made with hemp pulp? It is far superior to the "recycled" junk, and equivalent to (or better than) the wood product. Also, it requires significantly less chemical processing than either raw or recycled wood pulp products. I don't recall the exact amount of pulp per acre, but do remember that it is quite a bit higher than timber, when you take into account that it can be harvested annually.

It makes lousy cloth however (scratchy), and nylon is far superior as a rope (hemp rope rots). I certainly agree with you there. It makes great paper and cardboard though.

What I was trying to say here was that if the drug culture would stop associating it with pot it might be considered as a replacement for wood pulp. The pot-heads are trying to use it as a stepping stone to legalizing marijuana, by saying that pot plants are useful as pulp. Hemp is, but marijuana isn't. As long as people treat hemp like a drug, it will never be used in any kind of significant quantities.


57 posted on 07/23/2004 10:31:11 AM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Protagoras
LOL, nice try. I posted the evidence.

But you admitted your error in #52!

58 posted on 07/23/2004 10:31:21 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: MamaTexan
"I'm still trying to find the "Congress shall have the power to regulate plants that...." part in the Constitution, though."

Ah. It's right next to the part that says women have a right to kill their unborn children.

59 posted on 07/23/2004 10:32:12 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: cryptical

>Hemp and Marijuana are NOT the same plant!

>>Sure they are, just bred for different characteristics.

Right; like humans and apes, horses and zebras, house cats and lions, etc.


60 posted on 07/23/2004 10:34:41 AM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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