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"If it not too much trouble, the source for your claim that Johnson was really a New Yorker"

I will be glad to furnish you with even more than you requested. Enjoy the reading.

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:HwsZNYyb8JEJ:www.newsday.com/extras/lihistory/specfam/famwand.htm+wanderer+%22slave+ship%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://members.aol.com/eleanorcol/LamarBios2.html#Charles Augustus Lafayette Lamar

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:1EPkXkK8fxYJ:www.petersnn.org/petersnn/glynncoweb7/ethnic_research.htm+wanderer+%22slave+ship%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:2mCEKiN114gJ:www.crownrights.com/books/south_not_responsible.htm+wanderer+%22slave+ship%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:wMUAdPy5O6MJ:www.slavenorth.com/profits.htm+wanderer+%22slave+ship%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:xze7kltW5GIJ:www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/3093/pages2.html+wanderer+%22slave+ship%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:74HJ9LxV52oJ:www.petersnn.org/petersnn/glynncoweb7/african_american.htm+wanderer+%22slave+ship%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:TI0BrXzriqQJ:www.museum-ordure.org.uk/Collection/Detail/%3Fserial%3DUKMOCAT0000011A+wanderer+%22slave+ship%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:m6e6CiTxNO4J:amistad.mysticseaport.org/discovery/themes/lane.navy.html+wanderer+%22slave+ship%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:UdvRQLlvH6gJ:www.savannahmagazine.com/archive/stpats04.shtml+wanderer+%22slave+ship%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:xze7kltW5GIJ:www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/3093/pages2.html+wanderer+%22new+york+yacht+club%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:e3sQM3kstswJ:www.rootsweb.com/~mowarren/schake/part1a.html+wanderer+%22new+york+yacht+club%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:dgcvvgfO18gJ:www.tenpound.com/137/101.html+slave+ship+%22new+york+yacht+club%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:dgcvvgfO18gJ:www.tenpound.com/137/101.html+slave+ship+%22new+york+yacht+club%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:EjiYA4UoLRkJ:www.history.navy.mil/danfs/w2/wanderer-i.htm+wanderer+johnson+%22slave+ship%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:mevwcMk8o3cJ:www.abetitles1.com/Title/85665/A%2BSacred%2BSeal.html+wanderer+johnson+%22slave+ship%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://www.newsday.com/community/guide/lihistory/ny-wandr4,0,4777608.photo

http://home.wxs.nl/~pdavis/Log_Wanderer.htm

http://www.savannah-online.com/full_story.cfm?sect=TourismOurCity&id=538

By the way, you misspoke. It wasn't my claim. I stated that others were saying this.

In the first site above, that author quotes your source, Tom Henderson Wells, author of "The Slave Ship Wanderer," published in 1967 saying that John (JD) Johnson commissioned that the ship be built.

In several of the other listed posts, it is revealed that he was a member of the New York Yacht Club, and had a home in Islip. There is also a site that lists the JD Johnson historical building in downtown Islip. He is also listed in the Islip geneology records.

In another site I sent you, the author describes how financiers in the North would cause their ties to slave shipping to be transparent. One author says this is the case with the Wanderer. Others describe that Corrie was the second owner. Another site says that Corrie and Lamar were partners from the beginning. Another lists two other investors associated with Corrie and Lamar.

As you look through these sites, you will see that these are the statements of the authors, not my claims. As I stated in my post, I offered them as "other sources".

As our good friend x would like us to do, we will not repeat others's speculation, and then speculate on that. We will just keep to the facts.

One other point for consideration. According to these records, there were at least four ships of the 1800's named 'Wanderer' that were seagoing vessels.

So your comment to stand watie: "So let me turn it around. You were lying when your said that you had information indicating that the Wanderer was New Bedford flagged and New England owned and crewed. You've been lying since. But where is that different than any of your other posts?"

In that, you accused stand watie of "lying" about a 'Wanderer' being New Bedford flagged. Here is a site that shows that a Wanderer was there:

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:KWl4SDaYkk0J:www.whalingmuseum.org/kendall/old_nb/old_nb_wharves_ex.html+wanderer+%22new+bedford%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

This site (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:dgcvvgfO18gJ:www.tenpound.com/137/101.html+wanderer+slave+trade+%22new+bedford%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)

lists the following:

Manuscript. "SALE OF CONDEMNED SLAVERS" - ACCOUNTS OF BOSTON VESSELS APPREHENDED IN THE SLAVE TRADE, 1850S AND 60S. Ten manuscript pages of accounts, probably taken from contemporary newspapers, of Boston ships apprehended while persuing the slave trade. Vessels include "Mary I Kimball," "Ioccoa(?)," "Mary E. Smith," "Clipper," "Newsboy," "Fleet Eagle," "Wanderer," and "Erie." The latter apprehended in 1860, under the command of Capt. Gordon, whose trial is also recounted here. $50

So, it would seem that a 'Wanderer' was sailing out of New Bedfore, was engaging in the slave trade like stand watie said, and that you falsely accused him of lying.

That is the second time in a month you have done that to stand watie.

You should apologize.