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To: BlackElk

Your posts are getting more and more strident. You claim you don't need to pay good money to see Fahrenheit 9/11 to know it is false, as if that had anything to do with papal declarations regarding SSPX. Just the contrary is true! It has always been the Church's position to give reasons for its disciplinary actions. If it doesn't, especially in today's politicized climate within the Church, it should rightfully be held suspect. No wonder so many are siding with the Society. It has truth on its side--whereas the Vatican has bombast such as yours.

The pope has supreme power in the Church and must exercise it justly. You assume that because a man has the lofty title of Vicar of Christ, he is therefore a just man. I do not make such an assumption--because I know the opposite is sometimes true. In particular the injustice of JPII is easily proven to anybody willing to learn the facts. You don't wish to read about these facts. Fine--but don't complain if I think that's incredibly narrow-minded, because it is. You make a fetish of your own ignorance and obedience and confuse that with moral virtue. I find this laughable.


381 posted on 07/14/2004 12:07:58 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio; ninenot; GirlShortstop
I don't think I am strident at all. Stridency, like beauty, is probably in the eye of the beholder.

My statements as to Michael Moore and Fahrenheit 9/11 are my opinions. JP II's Ecclesia Dei excommunicating your heroes and declaring your movement schismatic is not mere opinion. That document is authoritative unlike any of yours or mine or of dead and excommunicated Marcel or of excommunicated Fellay or excommunicated Williamson for that matter.

Your opinion as to whether JP II is just or not is irrelevant. I happen to think he was far, far too charitable toward this nasty little schism. That's my opinion and it is not relevant either. JP II's opinion is relevant. God's opinion of JP II is quite relevant. Fact or fantasy, you have nothing to say to well-catechized Catholics. That you are in a permanent hissy-fit against His Holiness and against papal authority does not command my allegiance to your curious grab bag of schismatic opinions.

You are owed NOTHING by His Holiness, whatever it may please you to imagine. Ecclesia Dei is what you earned and what you deserved.

384 posted on 07/14/2004 12:34:51 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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