Priests 'In Orgy' at Seminary

news.scotsman.com ^ | July 12, 2004

[Land of the Irish]

Roman Catholic leaders in Austria called an emergency meeting today after officials discovered a vast cache of photos and videos allegedly depicting young priests having sex at a seminary.

About 40,000 photographs and an undisclosed number of films, including child pornography, were downloaded on computers at the seminary in St Poelten, about 50 miles west of Vienna, the respected news magazine Profil reported.

Officials with the local diocese declined to comment but were meeting privately on the scandal, Austrian state television reported.

It said the seminary’s director, the Rev Ulrich Kuechl, and his deputy, Wolfgang Rothe, had resigned.

The Austrian Bishops Conference issued a statement today pledging a full and swift investigation.

“Anything that has to do with homosexuality or pornography has no place at a seminary for priests,” it said.

Church officials discovered the material on a computer at the seminary, Profil said. It published several images purportedly showing young priests and their instructors kissing and fondling each other and engaging in orgies and sex games.

The child porn came mostly from web sites based in Poland, the magazine said.

Bishop Kurt Krenn, a conservative churchman who oversees the St Poelten Diocese, told Austrian television he had seen photos of seminary leaders in sexual situations with students. Krenn, however, dismissed the photos as “silly pranks” that “had nothing to do with homosexuality”.

A group of St. Poelten Diocese officials planned to ask the Vatican to remove Krenn as bishop, Austrian radio reported.

Vatican spokesman Ciro Benedettini told the Austria Press Agency that the Holy See had no comment.

Krenn, 68, issued a statement calling the accusations groundless while conceding that he “may have made some wrong personnel decisions” at the seminary.

[broadsword]

(Dean of Sanity--Yadayada Wackjob Club)

How dare you sugest that the Vatican do somehting about this! Why you sedevacantist viper! You're attacking the Pope! You schismatic pig! You're attacking the Papacy!

You BETRAYED this Church! You played on our fears!

I know what you're thinking! I know what you believe! I know what you are! I--KNOW--ALL! Just because I'm a loser and a failure in real life doesn't mean I can't be tough here! In fact, I'm CYBER TOUGH!

Your're an SSPXer! You're ALLLLLLL SSPXers!
Burn in hell, SSPXers! Die, SSPXers! DIIIIIIIIIIIE!

[ArrogantBustard]

That post does not enhance your credibility.

[ArrogantBustard]

Sir,


On further examination, I observe that this thread has been relegated to the "Smokey Back Room". Please do not, in the future, ping me too "SBR" threads. If I wish to visit the SBR, I will do so of my own accord.


Thank you.

[Viva Christo Rey]

ROTFL!!! Great!

Too bad you had to keep it so understated - in contrast to the irrational know-nothing rabidity of the real life version.

[broadsword]

Thanks. I can only do so much. It would take a Mark Twain to pump it all the way up to the ridiculous level of its target. LOL!

As Rush Limbaugh says; "Illustrating absurdity by being absurd."

[Palladin]

ROFL!

Did you translate it from the Latin?

[BlackElk]

Two of our fellow FR members worship in the Maronite Rite which I understand is said in Aramaic. Towards the end of this thread, Sandyeggo reports that, after consultation with members/lay leaders of her parish, that the original Aramaic means "all." Both Sandyeggo and NYer say they will consult their priests on Sunday when they return from some national meeting of Maronite Rite priests. Sandyeggo is from California and NYer, well, from New York.

In any event, if you think that Christ determined in advance that He was not shedding His Blood for some people later to be born, you are having a problem with language as well as doctrine. We are not Calvinists. We are not believers in predestination. I can accept the Sacrifice of Christ. So can you. So can or could each and every person born since the sacrifice in circumstances where knowledge of it was theirs. Like everyone else, if we do accept and die in the state of grace, we will go to heaven immediately or later after purgatory.

What on earth satisfaction anyone might derive from the smug and unjustified assumptions underlying the idea that Christ suffered for some of us and not for all of us is beyond me. If you are fortunate enough to enter heaven will you ask to leave if someone you personally deem unfit is there too? This is the sort of conclusion that proceeds from do-it-yourself religion.

BTW, Christ used neither "all" nor "many" both of which are English words. He did not use "omnes" or "multis" both of which are Latin words. He used an Aramaic term. I don't know Aramaic. I bet you don't either. If someone or Someone used the Aramaic word in our presence, neither you nor I would know its meaning by hearing it. This then becomes the functional equivalent of every Tom, Dick and Harriet becoming their own pope and assuming authority not theirs to assume. Christ also had something to say in John about about those Pharisees who strain at the specific words and ignore the actual concepts.

Also, as gbcdoj has pointed out elsewhere on this thread, "many" has secondary meanings including "all" such as Adam ate the apple to the detriment of many.

Your opinions such as your last paragraph are going to have force but only when you have assumed Cardinal Ratzinger's position and responsibilities.

[broadsword]

ROFL! Did you translate it from the Latin?

LOL! From the Elkomaniacic.

[BlackElk]

It is hard to imagine that hell would be empty. In the twentieth century alone, a probable record number (extremely large) must have gone there. That His Blood was shed for all men did not mean that He required all men to accept the benefit of His sacrifice. Free will allows men to choose damnation and, regrettably, many do.

[BlackElk]

VCR: You jump too soon. See also #439 and #440. AND we still await the word of the respective pastors.

As we wait, do you think that anyone conceived AFTER Christ's sacrifice and who acquired knowledge of that sacrifice was excluded BEFORE conception by Christ from the possibility of salvation?

Who was so excluded?

What was the pre-conception standard of exclusion?

Are you in communion with the Holy See?

[BlackElk]

Thanks for posting Marcel's plain clothes photo. SSPX sounds more like the Demonratic "I Have a Scream" Medley than any other effort I know of: Hear Mrs. Arkansas Antichrist! Hear the Gorebot! Hear Governor Emeritus Howard the Scream Dean. Hear the schismatic originals like Marcel! Hear Marcel's followers deny being Marcel's follwers!.

And your little dog too!!!!

Usual phony BS, no more, no less!

[corpus]

"As you well know, you are wrong."

Wrong about what? The only thing you said I was right in was JPII speaking of "silent apostasy". So am I to assume I am wrong in being obedient to the pope? You now call the SSPX a nuisance, apostate, and popebashers. So which are they - schismatic, excommunicated, or apostate? I never heard JPII refer to them apostate, and you have yet to prove the are schismatic. The only thing you have to say is wild accusations without reason, logic, or proper arguement.

You also make a unfounded statement they will never be Catholic. So why does Rome seek ecumenical dialogue with heretics when according to your standards those supposedly outside the Church can never be Catholic? Protestants gaining salvation is impossible according to you, so why all the talks with those assured their place in hell?


"I was suggesting that God might punish both Weakland and Marcel by making them roommates in an overheated afterlife."

You can pray that God might punish them here on earth, but to pray they go to Hell is uncharitable to say the least. Scripture says to pray FOR the dead, not that they rot in hell. Are we not supposed to love ALL men, even our enemies? If you loved them, you would pray FOR them, not that they will be punished for all eternity. Weakland can save his soul, so should we not pray for him? Lefebvre has already been judged and the Church has not decreed him a schismatic as you charge, so offering prayers that God might ease his suffering if he is in Pergatory could only bring you merit.


"The schism that Paul VI and John Paul II described as "silent apostasy" might be the Thuc line or many other schisms less noisy than Marcel's parrots."

Once again, if they are schismatic they are NOT part of the church. Where did they mention visionaries? Did you not read the quote? Paul VI described it as wide-spread, reaching into the church even at its highest levels. This apostasy is from WITHIN the church, and at high levels, meaning clergy, which must eliminate what you call schismatics.

I think Broadsword's Gore picture aptly represents how you must look when writing your posts based on your wild statements and irreverence. I am not going to move to a place where I have to fear my bishop may remove his "indult" at any time or leave at which point I am without the Mass and again scouring the world for an "accommodating" bishop. That is a hopeless situation.

[corpus]

"Also, as gbcdoj has pointed out elsewhere on this thread, "many" has secondary meanings including "all" such as Adam ate the apple to the detriment of many."

Again, scripturally inaccurate. Where does it state Adam ate an apple? The word used is "fruit". I won't put 2 cents in your exegesis if you can't get that right.

[Grey Ghost II]

Also, as gbcdoj has pointed out elsewhere on this thread, "many" has secondary meanings including "all" such as Adam ate the apple to the detriment of many.

All includes many, but many does not include all.

[Grey Ghost II]

Very nice!

[NYer]

Both Sandyeggo and NYer say they will consult their priests on Sunday when they return from some national meeting of Maronite Rite priests.

Sandyeggo will be away; don't expect a response. I will be attending a 7pm Novena to St. Ann, our patroness, on Saturday evening. Afterwards, I promise to do my best to get an answer for you. Note that my pastor is bi-ritual: Maronite and Latin Rite. He speaks 6 languages fluently, has a working knowledge of 3 others, and reads Ancient Greek, Latin, Hebrew and Aramaic. He has a Masters Degree in theology. If anyone can resolve this conflict, it would be him.

[Land of the Irish]

That His Blood was shed for all men...

You just don't get it, do you?

[gbcdoj]

That His Blood was shed for all men...

You just don't get it, do you?

Do you?

5. It is Semipelagian to say that Christ died or shed His blood for all men without exception.

Declared and condemned as false, rash, scandalous, and understood in this sense, that Christ died for the salvation of the predestined, impious, blasphemous, contumelious, dishonoring to divine piety, and heretical. (Innocent X, DZ 1096)

[Land of the Irish]

It is Semipelagian to say that Christ died or shed His blood for all men without exception.

Yaaawwwwwn

The Muslims and their Koran deny the Most Holy Trinity, the divinity of Jesus Christ and His Crucifixion. Vatican II, 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church: 841. “The Church's relationship with the Muslims. 'The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.'[LG 16; cf. NA 3.]”-

Pope John Paul II, May 14th of 1999

I don't believe all of the Popes, all of the time. It's impossible. Why are some popes saints and some not?

[gbcdoj]

I don't believe all of the Popes, all of the time. It's impossible.

He died for all, yet all do not receive the benefit of His death ... (Council of Trent, sess. vi, Decree On Justification, cap. iii.)