Priests 'In Orgy' at Seminary

news.scotsman.com ^ | July 12, 2004

[frnk]

"Try this: debate the facts and arguments."
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Okey-dokey.

broadsword=Since Feb 15, 2003

[Petronski]

frnk=Since Jun 29, 2004

[frnk]

Too late!

See post 213

[broadsword]

"Aren't you an SSPXer?" = the surest sign that they have lost the debate.

[saradippity]

Actually,the Tucson diocese has had an Indult for many,many years. I think they may even have the Tridentine at two or three locations.

Phoenix on the other hand never had one until five weeks ago and I think we are in pretty good financial shape.

I only comment because I am all for connecting dots and think facts are of utmost importance if we are to win this battle. So at least in Arizona there is no connection between the Indult and bankruptcy,unless it's an inverse correlation.

[broadsword]

ZING!

Hey, you guys just keep shooting these guys' false arguments and lies down as fast as they set 'em up. How mean! Why don't you go write some poetry instead? THAT would stand up for the truth much better wouldn't it?

[broadsword]

Still trying to get away with the deceptive insinuation that posters can somehow become schismatic by simply arguing in favor of the Society, when not even Society worshipers themselves are schismatic?

Heck. I have even argued AGAINST the society and he/she accuses me of being an SSPXer.

Go figure that. I guess the name-calling just comes so easy when they get intellectually frustrated, that they don't even realize what they are saying or to whom.

[broadsword]

I didn't take your astute comment to meant that you believe the heresy that the minister somehow affects the efficacy of the sacrament, but that you don't want certain special hands getting anywhere near any of your bodily orifices.

EEEEeeeewwwww! The special sicknesses that such hands might SINK you into. What a horrid thought! I'm having nightmares about it already and I haven't even gone to sleep yet! (shudder!)

[broadsword]

"Ask the Mods to rule. They'll most likely pull the thread."

1. Thread makes the lavender liberal modernists and "special" priests look bad.

2. A certain special someone thinks that pulling the thread would be a good thing.

3. Things that make you go "Hmmm..."

[saradippity]

You really could not think too much about the Catholic Church and the souls it gathers for heaven,else why would you recommend cutting off all money? How will the good priests,bishops,nuns,brothers survive? How will the schools continue to educate,the hospitals to operate,the charities to help with food,shelter and aid for the poor and the sick? Who will keep the churches in good repair,pay the electric,gas and water bills? Who will visit the prisoners and those in nursing homes and take communion to the home bound?

I agree the money should be monitored,I always take off all monies I have to spend on books and conservative newspapers and magazines and conferences I attend because the church has been remiss in teaching truth. But to advocate cutting off all money is self defeating,can you come up with a more reasonable plan?

[broadsword]

It is widely known and well documented that JPII, Thatcher and Reagan knocked the evil empire to its knees. That one is beyond reasonable debate.

[broadsword]

Trad hotties?

For sure. What some (disordered individuals) do not understand is that clean is hot. I prefer the clean beautiful Catholic girls I see at the indult to the slutty skanks and careless slovenly slobs that populate the Nervous Disorder Masses in my Diocese.

[broadsword]

"1. In the strict sense you may fulfill your Sunday obligation by attending a Mass celebrated by a priest of the Society of St. Pius X."

"2. We have already told you that we cannot recommend your attendance at such a Mass and have explained the reason why. If your primary reason for attending were to manifest your desire to separate yourself from communion with the Roman Pontiff and those in communion with him, it would be a sin. If your intention is simply to participate in a Mass according to the 1962 Missal for the sake of devotion, this would not be a sin."

Sincerely yours in Christ, Rev. Msgr. Camille Perl Secretary Pontifical Ecclesia Dei Commission

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And there you have it, but I would still rather suffer a NO Mass than risk an SSPX Mass.

[broadsword]

It appears that the Modernists here want two things: 1 - the banning of those who are Traditionalists, and 2 - the end of threads that demonstrate how ill the hierarchy has become.

You got that right.

[saradippity]

I do agree with this post of yours. I have been mulling over the last chapter of John also. In fact,I have mentioned it on several posts over the past week.

After Christ tells Peter about getting old and that others will dress him and lead him where he does not want to go,He tells Peter that what he must do is follow Him. That is;Peter must follow Christ. And as Catholics,we have believed that the Pope speaks for Christ on earth and we should listen to him and follow his lead. It makes me wonder about a lot of things.

[broadsword]

For some, it is FUN to be hurtful and slanderous and to bear false witness.

For others, that would just be sinful.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Your picture proves nothing. It is easily interpreted by those with two eyes. Look at the position of the crucifix. Your attempt to make Padre Pio a "supporter" of the Vatican II/New Mass mess is an old, tired ploy refuted many times over by people who were present at that Mass.

You wouldn't by any chance know the Stephen Hand or Peter Vere crowd? Have any other screen names?

[ninenot]

There had to be a cataclysmic explosion at one point. It's like a nuclear reaction reaching critical mass. It can perk along below critical mass for centuries without ever exploding.

HERE we are in agreement.

Pio X did not issue his warnings about Modernism for nought. There were problems long before V.II, but the flagrant abuse of the Council's documents and recommendations, combined with a general 'defining deviancy down' in US society (observed by Daniel Patrick Moynihan in the early 1960's, IIRC) led to the critical-mass reaction you describe.

[ninenot]

Narses tends to throw bombs once in a great while. Some on this forum are concerned that SSPX sentiments color one's judgment, and 'attachment' to SSPX is not a good thing.

[ninenot]

the courage of Reagan and Gorbachev

Gorby was not a player until it was all over but the shouting.

Your summary is inadequate--you write the Iron Lady out of the scenes, and somehow determine that Solidarnocz had nothing to do with JPII and his allies in the Polish Heirarchy.

Summarily, read the history. THEN comment.