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Southern pride rallies 'round flag
The Washington Times ^ | June 27, 2004 | Robert Stacy McCain

Posted on 06/27/2004 12:37:31 PM PDT by VRWCer

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:16:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: SedVictaCatoni
i won't argue that over the centuries there have been MORE than one Christian symbol, but the CROSS in its various forms has almost always been associated with Jesus & Christianity.

free dixie,sw

81 posted on 06/29/2004 9:19:17 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Gianni; cyborg
YEP it has. and i miss having WP around to torment!!!!

sed victa catoni seems to be his replacement.

free dixie,sw

82 posted on 06/29/2004 9:29:08 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

Since you refused to take me up on my offer of a friendly wager with regard to the return of the '56 flag, I'll extend the same offer with regard to Sonny's place on the GOP ticket.


83 posted on 06/29/2004 9:40:53 AM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul
surely, the GOP can come up with a candidate who is not a LIAR AND a SCALAWAG!

nope, i won't bet with you. they don't call the GOP the "stupid party" for nothing.

IF he is the candidate, MOST southrons will go fishing that day.

the power elites in GA & everywhere in the southland MUST LEARN that our votes will NOT be cast for scalawags. period, end of story.

ask david WEASELey in SC what happened to him in the recent senate primary. Jim DeMint won the primary ONLY because of the anti-weaseley/scalawag vote. FACT!

free dixie,sw

84 posted on 06/29/2004 9:53:08 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: SedVictaCatoni
Sure, Lincoln being a Whig first and a Republican second was all in favor of tariffs. Whe he took office in 1860 and the Southern States had already started to seceed, he asked the question "Where will my tariffs come from?" Put it together for yourself, if you can.

You asked why the South seceded if it wasn't over slavery here is your answer - (Note slavery is mentioned, but it isn't the main reason if you look at them as a whole)
1. Our States entered the Union with the understanding that they had the right to withdraw when membership proved unhappy.
2. We were tired of being gypped by unfair tariff laws. (That started in 1788 when the Northern States by act of Congress shifted the burden of their fair share of the debt for the War of Independence on to the Southern States, and then on through protecticve tariff enactments that favored the Northern States at the expense of the South).
3. We were fed up with insane abuse from South-hating fanatics. Harriet Beecher Stowe (a New Englander who never visited the South in her lifetime) and John Brown, and the Abolitionists who all took pains to incite Southern slaves to rise against their masters. They poured torrents of abuse on the slave owners by putting out the story of Southern Plantation owners being infamously immoral. They (the Abolitionists) denounced the membership of a certain group of Southern churches as "incarnate fiends", "endorsers of crime of depraved humanity." One enthusiast wrote that Southern men came North to find wives because of fear that Southern girls were unworthy. (A patent falsehood!)
4. We bought our slaves from the North, only to learn later that it proposed to free them without a penny of compensation.
5. Northern fanatics had inspired murderous slave-uprisings. Why wait for more?
6. A rabidly-sectional party was in control at Washington.
7. We had no idea of making war. We planned to relieve the North from further association with us.

Lest you conclude that only Southerners believed they had the right to go their own way and be let alone, bear in mind the view of Henry Cabot Lodge, a New England Brahmin. He said as of the date of the adoption of the Constitution, it waws universally regarded as an experiment, entered upon by the States, and from which any State had the right to peaceably withdraw.

85 posted on 06/29/2004 1:49:39 PM PDT by Colt .45 ( Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Falsum etiam est verum quod constituit superior.)
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To: Colt .45
WELL SAID!

free dixie NOW,sw

86 posted on 06/29/2004 2:07:19 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
That's exactly why there are those of us (stainlessbanner, stand watie, wardaddy, and a number of others) who are trying to bring the truth to light here. The perception that you mention is the result of people not being fully educated on the matter. We could talk about the Union Slave States as we have here in this thread. We could talk about the fact that slaves were sold under the traditional American flag. We could also mention the fact that the Ku Klux Klan marched under the American flag.... and perhaps still does.

Unfortunately, it's far too easy to just label the flag and those whose ancestors fought under it as racist. It would take some effort to study the actual history and sort through the facts. That's the challenge.... and that's why we are here debating this issue week after week.

87 posted on 06/29/2004 9:46:15 PM PDT by CurlyBill (Ronald Reagan is the modern day Father of our Country!)
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To: CurlyBill
furthermore, the LIES told about our battleflag, abortion on demand, high taxes,"gun control", nosey bureaucrats,national health insurance,anti-smoking nazis,"social experimentation", federal UNfunded mandates,racial preferences, etc,etc,etc are just SOME of the reasons that SOUTHRONS just want FREEDOM for dixie!

the war for dixie LIBERTY continues by other means than arms.

free the southland,sw

88 posted on 06/30/2004 7:55:01 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Colt .45

who all took pains to incite Southern slaves to rise against their masters.

** What's wrong with that?


89 posted on 06/30/2004 7:58:05 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: stand watie

It's just a flag. There are more important things to address. I find it amazing that there are some who get into a lather about the confederate flag but then turn around and demand a boycott that affects everyone, not just good ole boys who like the 'stars and bars'.


90 posted on 06/30/2004 8:00:10 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: VRWCer

1863 - Gettysburg and Vicksburg. The end of the 'dream' for CSA. We Yankees get to fly our flag without a lot of controversy. :)


91 posted on 06/30/2004 8:06:48 AM PDT by familyofman (and the first animal is jettisoned - legs furiously pumping)
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To: familyofman

Put on yer flame suit *lol*


92 posted on 06/30/2004 8:09:10 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyborg
i violently disagree.

FREEDOM for dixie AND our sacred dixie battleflag, for which >300,000 southerners died is NOT negotiable. period,end of story.

every southern politician MUST LEARN that if he/she is NOT right on the battleflag, CSA memorials,soldier statues, etc then they MUST not be in ANY office.

AND we must destroy every "wrong on the flag" politician's career.

free dixie,sw

93 posted on 06/30/2004 8:14:59 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: familyofman
you are wrong about one part & SOON to be wrong about the other.

1. the WAR for dixie FREEDOM continues by other means than arms AND

2. the US flag is NOW under attack from many on the left as a "slavery flag" too.

SOON you will be having the same fights with the left about the Stars & Strips that we southrons are about our sacred, bloodspattered battleflags. AND getting just as bad "press" too.

free the southland,sw

94 posted on 06/30/2004 8:19:34 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

FREEDOM for dixie AND our sacred dixie battleflag, for which >300,000 southerners died is NOT negotiable. period,end of story.

*** Well now you're right... the flag is sacred to those who have a family history connection.

every southern politician MUST LEARN that if he/she is NOT right on the battleflag, CSA memorials,soldier statues, etc then they MUST not be in ANY office.

*** A good politician would have respect for all his/her constituencies. However, you and i know that politicians are really out for number one even when they make it seem like they're for you.


95 posted on 06/30/2004 8:22:12 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyborg
i wonder if he/she is trying to take WP's place in the FIRE?????

free dixie,sw

96 posted on 06/30/2004 8:26:44 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

LOL!!! Well you do need your exercise.


97 posted on 06/30/2004 8:27:47 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyborg
"out for number one"======>what else is new????

if you have any doubts about what happens to southern politicians NOW that fail to stand up for the flag, just go ask david/beasley/WEASELey in SC.

he lost to jim demint in the senate race ONLY because of his scalawag stance on the flag. nothing more, nothing less.

free dixie,sw

98 posted on 06/30/2004 9:20:22 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: cyborg
"out for number one"======>what else is new????

if you have any doubts about what happens to southern politicians NOW that fail to stand up for the flag, just go ask david beasley/WEASELey in SC.

he lost to jim demint in the senate race ONLY because of his scalawag stance on the flag. nothing more, nothing less.

free dixie,sw

99 posted on 06/30/2004 9:20:40 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

Oh yes I believe it with respect to Weasley... and that boycott doesn't seem to be getting to the ears of tourists much at all.


100 posted on 06/30/2004 9:22:07 AM PDT by cyborg
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