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To: DannyTN
" Taxes are approved in the Bible and Christians are commanded to pay them."

Then pay them to your church. There is no justification for taking other peoples money to run your social programs.

"That we are the rulers of America does not eliminate our duty to the poor."

Your duty is to first obey the commandments. The relevant command is though shalt not steal. That means don't take what is not yours. Your duty is to be carried out of Free will, not coerced. You have no justification to coerce the wills of these idiots, or to take what belongs to others to do so, or to run a con pretending it's to care for them.

BTW, these people are not poor. Others are and you're advocting taking resources from folks that are interested in fulfilling their duties.

304 posted on 05/28/2004 10:27:23 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
"Then pay them to your church. There is no justification for taking other peoples money to run your social programs. "

There is. Do you have any idea how much society would decay without some of those social programs? My guess is you have no clue. I'm not saying that they are all necessary or that they are all run efficiently. That is a theft of a different kind. But without those programs you would see the costs come in the form of higher crime.

"Your duty is to first obey the commandments. The relevant command is though shalt not steal. That means don't take what is not yours. Your duty is to be carried out of Free will, not coerced. "

Your first problem is that you think taxes ever belonged to you. They do not. They never did. The Bible treats taxes as the rightful property of the government and you are merely the custodian. It's never yours to begin with. It's always the property of the government from the moment you do the transaction that causes the tax to be incurred whether that is buying a product or selling your labor or owning land.

The taxes were set up legitimately by law and voted into law by a legal process which we all signed up for. And we continue to consent to that process by choosing to live in this country. It's not like you can't leave if you don't want to.

312 posted on 05/28/2004 10:38:49 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: spunkets
"The relevant command is though shalt not steal"

Your second problem after wrongly thinking that taxes were ever yours to begin with, is that you ignore the other commandments. Like "Love the Lord God and Love your neighbor as yourself."

That implies good stewardship of what God has given to you. It implies that you fulfill your duty to be part of the social order and government which God ordained. It implies your duty as part of that government to carry out the duties that God said government should be responsible for.

And when you look at what God said about government and what He told certain Kings and said about rulers, you find that goverment does have many responsibilities and is specifically charged with cause of the poor and needy.

God made us responsible both as individuals and as the government for the poor AND needy. Some try to claim that since God charged us with this individually that government has no role. But that is not the case, as a careful study of scripture indicates. He charged us both as individuals and as government.

Again, I don't deny that there are bureacrats and politicians who waste our resources, that some programs are counter productive to their goals, etc. We should work together to eliminate such abuses while not shirking the responsibilities that have been given to us.

321 posted on 05/28/2004 10:51:34 AM PDT by DannyTN
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