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Love on a Porn Set: One Woman's Story (ABC Expose of Porn Industry)
ABC News ^ | 5/27/04

Posted on 05/28/2004 5:25:59 AM PDT by Aquinasfan

A Mormon Girl Gets Her Start in the Adult Movie Business

Jan. 23 — When 20-year-old Michelle saw the handsome Spaniard who would later become her fiancé, she thought it was love at first sight.

[WARNING: This article contains descriptions of sexual acts that some readers may find offensive.]

"The day we met, he said, 'You're going to be the mother of my children. I love you,'" she remembers. "You know what I mean? I never had that before. I never had a guy be so in love with me."

The couple met on the set of a porn film in a rented house in Prague in July 2001.

Michelle, the daughter of a retired Air Force captain and former bishop in the Mormon Church, was an up-and-coming starlet in the adult video world. She had had some setbacks in her first year in the business, but believed her career was turning around with the Prague trip, which would be her first starring role. Her co-star, 28-year-old Nacho Vidal, was already a well-established star.

The director had told Michelle that Vidal liked her work, and when the pair saw each other they immediately fell into each other's arms, kissing from one side of the house to the other.

"There's nothing bad about you," she told him admiringly as they prepared for the shoot. "You don't know me very well" he replied with a grin.

But when the director finally got the pair to settle down to the business at hand — filming a sex scene — the tone changed. Without any prompting, Vidal got rough during the sex, slapping Michelle's face violently from side to side, and choking her. [Pleased to meet you/Hope you guessed my name]

Afterward, she looked shaken, her face reddened and her eyes watery. But she insisted she was OK. "I look torn up — can you tell?," she asked an ABCNEWS producer who was following her progress for Primetime. Laughing and wiping her eye, she turned away and said without conviction, "I took a beating today, and it was great."

'Belladonna' Is Born

Michelle had gotten her start in the business at 18, when she came to Los Angeles from her home in Utah to look for work as a nude photograph model. When she failed to get modeling work, her agent encouraged her to try porn. She refused at first. "I always hated porn. I thought it was the most disgusting thing in the world," she told Primetime, which followed her career for more than two years.

But she finally agreed. Taking the name Belladonna, like the poisonous flower, she found herself preparing for what she thought would be a simple boy-girl sex scene. She was shocked when the director told her he wanted her to do anal sex — something she says she had never even thought about before. Worried she'd have to go through with it if she wanted to work again, she let him talk her into it. "I was kind of scared. I didn't know if I could say no," she remembers. "I didn't know any better, you know?"

After the session, she was shattered. "I wasn't ready for anal sex.... It was painful. But I can hide it really well." She had just turned 18, the legal age for participation in sexually explicit films.

Michelle went on more shoots over the next few months. Then her agent sent her on a job where she would have sex with male actors in prison outfits — 12 of them. Once again, she tried to back out, telling the director it was "sick," but once again she was talked into it. She had sex — all kinds — with the 12 men. "It was really hard because I really felt like a piece of meat ... in a lion's cage, 12 lions.... I had to do a lot of things I can't imagine anyone wanting to do." She was paid $4,000.

Afterward, she says, she couldn't stop crying. She packed her bags and went home to her family in Utah.

Glimpse of the Big Time

But within a year, she was back, even agreeing to promote the prison movie that had so upset her.

She began to feel that her career was picking up. She got a small part in a movie for VCA, one of the "high end" companies that produce big-budget films, and hoped it might lead to a contract. On the shoot, she met porn legend Ron Jeremy, who was making a cameo, and began to feel like she was fitting in. "The first second I walk in, this girl grabs my breast, and I'm like, Wow, you know, that's like the best welcome ... 'cause then you feel like, Oh, someone likes me, you know?"

Another company considered giving her a contract, but at a meeting, the owner, veteran porn star Ona Zee, sensed that Michelle was not emotionally ready to become an adult star. "There's a part of me that wants to say to you, 'Run for the hills, girl, do something else, because you can be something better,'" she told her.

At the high-end companies — which produce a small proportion of the thousands of adult titles released each year — performers often have contracts and can make six figures by shooting just eight to 10 movies a year. They can pick their own partners and condoms are generally required. Shot on film with elaborate, sets, costumes and plots, the movies can have budgets up to $250,000.

But Michelle did not get a studio contract, and ended up taking a job with a company known for "gonzo" porn — sex-only, amateur-looking productions shot on video. The company, Elegant Angel, was making a film in Prague and offered her a starring role, which she hoped would show the big studios that she could carry a film.

Love Blossoms in Prague

She was thrilled at the attention Vidal gave her during the week in Prague — but wary. "It's weird to have a guy love you that much. That almost scares me because I have a hard time trusting men," she told Primetime, explaining that her first boyfriend cheated on her repeatedly and ultimately left her for a stripper. Privately, Vidal had told Primetime he could never be with just one woman, and would be happy if Michelle's attraction did not lead anywhere.

She came back to Los Angeles by herself, so sore from the week's filming that she says she could hardly walk. But then she flew to Spain to visit Vidal, and their relationship seemed to be going places. She said he could keep having sex with other women, as long as he agreed to be "honest to me, loyal, and just respect me and tell me that I'm number one every day."

She even began hearing wedding bells, telling Primetime, "The second I get married, I won't having sex with men in this business any more."

Wedding Bells

By December 2001, Michelle and Vidal were engaged. As she proudly showed off her diamond ring, saying how pretty it was, Vidal joked in his Spanish accent, "I need to f—k so many girls for that ring."

The couple was in love, Michelle says, but they were fighting regularly. Vidal would sometimes get what he calls "Latino jealous" when he saw her talking to other men at clubs. Michelle told Primetime, "It's hard to be in a relationship with someone in porn."

By now, she was working steadily, even shooting for the same company she shot the prison gangbang for. "I guess now I've gotten past the whole feeling-bad-about-it thing. I'm like, 'OK, I did it and that was pretty damn rough of me' ... Like wow, you know?," she said with a laugh. "I can say that I've done pretty much everything there is to do, and I can walk away feeling a little proud about it, you know?"

The Primetime producers who had been following her noticed changes. At 18, she had said she would never use drugs, but now Primetime learned that she was sometimes high on marijuana during her scenes. She was working without condoms, though she said the risk of AIDS was never far from her mind — or her prayers. "The fans don't like to see condoms ... If I would have said I want to use condoms every time, I really wouldn't get any work," she explained. She contracted chlamydia, which can make you sterile.

And anal sex — which she had be talked into during her first shoot — was now her specialty. "Funny, isn't it? Something I didn't want to do and now I'm known best for it," she told Primetime. No longer a fresh face in the business, she found she had to agree to even riskier sex acts to earn the same money.

Ona Zee, the producer who had interviewed Michelle the previous year, noticed a difference, too. "I said to my husband, Our baby is all grown up and left home. She's no longer the adorable fresh-faced girl that I met ... Now she's really in the life ... Even in the pictures that I see of her, she's much harder, much tougher."

Behind the Smile

During interviews with Primetime, Michelle kept the happy smile she had always had — even when describing things that many people would find disturbing. However, her composure cracked when Diane Sawyer asked why she always smiled. Tears came to her eyes as she said, "Because I like to hide — hide everything, you know?" Then she began to cry, explaining that she hides her real emotions because she wants to show everyone how happy she is. "And I'm not happy ... I don't like myself at all," she said.

Michelle confessed she often felt physical revulsion during her scenes: "My whole entire body feels it when I'm doing it and ... I feel so — so gross." While pretending to be enjoying the sex, she said, she was in fact counting the minutes, telling herself, "Hey, I only have this much time left. Don't worry about it. Get the check. Gonna go deposit it in your bank." She admitted: "You get addicted to the money."

Like other performers Primetime spoke to, Michelle said that during shooting she often imagines herself outside her body. "I call it the 'other half,'" she said.

Bringing Home a Trophy

In January 2002, Michelle's Prague movie won an award at the Adult Video News awards in Las Vegas, considered the Oscars of the adult industry. Things were not going smoothly with Vidal that day — he complained that Michelle "don't do the ironing my clothes... I still 28 and I need my mother," and at the ceremony he openly checked out other women — but there were crowds of admiring fans for Michelle and she soaked up the attention.

After going on stage to pick the trophy, she was beaming, telling Primetime she had worked hard for it. "I think this is the very beginning of my career, like I've just begun," she said.

And at the 2003 AVN awards two weeks ago, Michelle was an even bigger winner, taking home awards for best supporting actress and three other categories.


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To: Aquinasfan
the logically prior and true definition of evil, that is, disorder

I had no idea that a bottle of jellybeans randomly arranged is evil, and that a bottle of jellybeans with the various colors separated into distinct blocs was good.

901 posted on 06/02/2004 9:03:10 AM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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To: Aquinasfan
Thank you for admitting the total absence of scientific, verifiable proof.

Do you REALLY think a Catholic website provides this?

902 posted on 06/02/2004 9:04:18 AM PDT by Long Cut (Certainty of Death, small chance of Success...What are we waiting for?...Gimli the Dwarf)
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To: Aquinasfan
Didn't you tell me before that the pleasurable aspect of sex was designed for the procreation of the species?

Yes, and the pleasurable aspect of successful combat was designed for the defense of the tribe. You have yet to find any way of logically arguing that the two cases differ.

903 posted on 06/02/2004 9:04:56 AM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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To: Aquinasfan

Is it ... SATAN?

904 posted on 06/02/2004 9:05:13 AM PDT by balrog666 (A man generally has two reasons for doing a thing. One that sounds good, and a real one.)
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To: Aquinasfan; balrog666; Ichneumon; PatrickHenry
"Didn't you tell me before that the pleasurable aspect of sex was designed for the procreation of the species?"

No. I said it evolved that way.

It still doesn't change the fact that sex is fun, whether or not children are the result. Or that porn is, to some people.

905 posted on 06/02/2004 9:06:45 AM PDT by Long Cut (Certainty of Death, small chance of Success...What are we waiting for?...Gimli the Dwarf)
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To: Aquinasfan
I get tired of repeating myself.

Tired?? A reader of this thread would think that you revel in doing so.

906 posted on 06/02/2004 9:07:41 AM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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To: Aquinasfan
I get tired of repeating myself.

Tired?? A reader of this thread would think that you revel in doing so.

907 posted on 06/02/2004 9:07:47 AM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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To: Aquinasfan
An act that is not itself an initiation of force or fraud cannot be "intrinsically evil"
Is it evil to lie to the Nazis if you are hiding Jews in your attic?

This case is an example of choosing the lesser of two evils, lying to the Nazis or handing two people over to be killed.

You are utterly daft to consider such a concealment an 'evil', A-Fan. What you consider a 'lie' is an attempt to prevent an act of force by the nazis.

Lying remains intrinsically evil,

A lie is an act of fraud. No fraud is being committed by concealing these people from harm.

yet lying is the proper action in this case, since only two courses of action are possible.

The concealment is not an 'evil' act of fraud. It is a proper action to prevent force.

Nice try at justifying your "intrinsic evil" theory, but no sale.
-- Blind obedience to an 'authority' is the evil, not an effort to thwart it.

Well, is the person telling the truth or lying?

Neither. They are concealing the people from harm.

I think that the person is lying about the Jews' whereabouts.

Imagine what you like. Calling the attempt at concealment a 'lie' is your ethical cross to bear.

You can believe that the person is telling the truth if you like.

Just as you can imagine they 'lied'. You are not being honest with your own faith, imo.

As I said before, the liar is absolved of moral culpability since the lie was done under duress and was a choice of the lesser of two evils.

There was no liar, thus no culpability. The moral man has no obligation to cooperate with a fascist state.

You need to question your basic assumptions my son, before you meet your maker.

908 posted on 06/02/2004 9:24:52 AM PDT by tpaine ("The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being." -- Solzhenitsyn)
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To: steve-b
It is common knowledge that moral understanding has advanced by leaps and bounds since those days.

Yeah, like 1.3 million aborted babies annually. They might have a different opinion of the "moral advancement" of our society.

909 posted on 06/02/2004 10:27:46 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: A.J.Armitage
It's not hard. If heretics don't know better, they should. So they are fully culpable.

That follows logically if there is an established Church. But as I said before, this has to be balanced against freedom of conscience, which is a natural right.

The establishment of State Churches is legitimate, if not desirable.

This is from the same guy who argued later that the Founders would agree with your notion of the general welfare.

Good point. The founders didn't want a nationally established church, but they had no problem with established state churches.

Otherwise, I think they would have agreed with my notion of the common good.

The most intense State/Church suppression of non-Christian religions occurred with the Catharists and Mohammedans.

By specifying non-Christian, you excluded the extermination of the Hussites. Very Clintonian.

Sorry, I'm not familiar with the Hussites. The Church could deal harshly with heretics, and for good reason. Luther's errors have done quite a bit of damage to western civilization, as well as destroying the unity of Christendom, in contradiction to Christ's expressed wish that "they all be one as I and the Father are one."

That's a fair point, and a matter for prudential judgement. The prime conflicting principle is freedom of conscience.

Freedom of conscience to deny Christ, but no freedom of conscience to have sex on camera.

Faith in Christ is a gift of grace. Some who deny explicit faith in Christ do so out of ignorance. The same cannot be said of pornography. Divine revelation is not necessary to understand that it is evil.

910 posted on 06/02/2004 10:39:46 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: balrog666
No, because Catholicism is the true(st) religion. Bovine excrement!

The purpose of speech, like every other human power, is to glorify God.

Let me borrow from Monty Python: "You're a loony!"

You obviously base your opinions on reason. You're certainly not dogmatic.

911 posted on 06/02/2004 10:42:16 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: TheBigB
I think I'll post some Jenna pics just to tweak some of the noses that are in the air... :^)

I haven't gone through the whole thread but I hope you posted some pics of Jenna, she is HOTT!. I happen to enjoy a bit of good porn now and again.

912 posted on 06/02/2004 10:43:42 AM PDT by Moleman
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To: anonymous_user
Raped by 12 guys on film for $4,000? Nobody took advantage of her, gosh no.
But the flip-side is that now she can walk away any time

You think she can "walk away" ~ have you ever seen the SIZE of a porn stars equipment

913 posted on 06/02/2004 10:46:23 AM PDT by Moleman
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To: steve-b
the medieval church's anti-Semitic persecutions.

Like what? The Spanish Inquisition?

And please do me the courtesy of pinging me when you disparage me.

The Myth of the Spanish Inquisition

by Ellen Rice

"The Myth of the Spanish Inquisition," a 1994 BBC/A&E production, will re-air on the History Channel this December 3 at 10 p.m. It is a definite must-see for anyone who wishes to know how historians now evaluate the Spanish Inquisition since the opening of an investigation into the Inquisition's archives. The special includes commentary from historians whose studies verify that the tale of the darkest hour of the Church was greatly fabricated.

In its brief sixty-minute presentation, "The Myth of the Spanish Inquisition" provides only an overview of the origins and debunking of the myths of torture and genocide. The documentary definitely succeeds in leaving the viewer hungry to know more. The long-held beliefs of the audience are sufficiently weakened by the testimony of experts and the expose of the making of the myth.

The Inquisition began in 1480. Spain was beginning a historic reunification of Aragon and Castile. The marriage of Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castile created a unified Hispania not seen since Roman times. Afraid that laws commanding the exile or conversion of Jews were thwarted by conversos, i.e. synagogue-going "Catholics," Ferdinand and Isabella commissioned an investigation or Inquisition. They began the Inquisition hoping that religious unity would foster political unity, and other heads of state heralded Spain's labors for the advent of a unified Christendom. The documentary clearly and boldly narrates the historical context, which intimates that the Spanish were not acting odd by their contemporary standards.

The Inquisition Myth, which Spaniards call "The Black Legend," did not arise in 1480. It began almost 100 years later, and exactly one year after the Protestant defeat at the Battle of Mühlberg at the hands of Ferdinand's grandson, the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V. In 1567 a fierce propaganda campaign began with the publication of a Protestant leaflet penned by a supposed Inquisition victim named Montanus. This character (Protestant of course) painted Spaniards as barbarians who ravished women and sodomized young boys. The propagandists soon created "hooded fiends" who tortured their victims in horrible devices like the knife-filled Iron Maiden (which never was used in Spain). The BBC/A&E special plainly states a reason for the war of words: the Protestants fought with words because they could not win on the battlefield.

The Inquisition had a secular character, although the crime was heresy. Inquisitors did not have to be clerics, but they did have to be lawyers. The investigation was rule-based and carefully kept in check. And most significantly, historians have declared fraudulent a supposed Inquisition document claiming the genocide of millions of heretics.

What is documented is that 3000 to 5000 people died during the Inquisition's 350 year history. Also documented are the "Acts of Faith," public sentencings of heretics in town squares. But the grand myth of thought control by sinister fiends has been debunked by the archival evidence. The inquisitors enjoyed a powerful position in the towns, but it was one constantly jostled by other power brokers. In the outlying areas, they were understaffed - in those days it was nearly impossible for 1 or 2 inquisitors to cover the thousand-mile territory allotted to each team. In the outlying areas no one cared and no one spoke to them. As the program documents, the 3,000 to 5,000 documented executions of the Inquisition pale in comparison to the 150,000 documented witch burnings elsewhere in Europe over the same centuries.

The approach is purely historical, and therefore does not delve into ecclesial issues surrounding religious freedom. But perhaps this is proper. Because the crime was heresy, the Church is implicated, but the facts show it was a secular event.

One facet of the Black Legend that evaporates under scrutiny in this film is the rumor that Philip II, son of Charles V, killed his son Don Carlos on the advisement of the aging blind Grand Inquisitor. But without a shred of evidence, the legend of Don Carlos has been enshrined in a glorious opera by Verdi.

The special may be disturbing to young children. There are scenes of poor souls burning at the stake, and close-ups of the alleged torture devices. Scenes depicting witches consorting with pot-bellied devils are especially grotesque. For kids, this is the stuff of nightmares.

Discrediting the Black Legend brings up the sticky subject of revisionism. Re-investigating history is only invalid if it puts an agenda ahead of reality. The experts - once true believers in the Inquisition myth - were not out to do a feminist canonization of Isabella or claim that Tomas de Torquemada was a Marxist. Henry Kamen of the Higher Council for Scientific Research in Barcelona said on camera that researching the Inquisition's archives "demolished the previous image all of us (historians) had."

And the future of the Black Legend? For many it may continue to hold more weight than reality. There is the emotional appeal against the Church. The dissenters of today may easily imagine Torquemada's beady eyes as a metaphor of the Church's "dictatorial, controlling, damning" pronouncements. The myth is also the easiest endorsement of the secular state: "de-faith" the state and de-criminalize heresy. Who will be the revisionists in this case? Will the many follow Montanas' lead in rewriting history?

Our 20th century crisis of man playing God - usurping power over conception, life, and death - leaves us with no alternative but to qualify our demythologization of the Inquisition with a reminder: 3,000 to 5,000 victims are 3,000 to 5,000 too many.

To put this in perspective, consider that we put 1.3 million babies to death every year in our enlightened country.
914 posted on 06/02/2004 10:47:08 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
the medieval church's anti-Semitic persecutions.
Like what? The Spanish Inquisition?

I see that I must be firm with you. YOU SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT WITHOUT HAVING THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE DONE SOME POINTED OUT AS EVIDENCE OF YOUR DISHONESTY.

915 posted on 06/02/2004 10:51:57 AM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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To: Aquinasfan
The inquisitors enjoyed a powerful position in the towns, but it was one constantly jostled by other power brokers. In the outlying areas, they were understaffed - in those days it was nearly impossible for 1 or 2 inquisitors to cover the thousand-mile territory allotted to each team. In the outlying areas no one cared and no one spoke to them.

Am I supposed to be impressed by the fact that the Inquisition was not physically capable of carrying out all the evils it wished because it lacked the resources to do so?

Terry Nichols hasn't helped to blow up any buildings lately. I guess he's reformed.

916 posted on 06/02/2004 10:56:23 AM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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To: A.J.Armitage
Because the Constitution was established to promote the general welfare, the state may do anything and everything Catholic natural law theorists believe promotes the general welfare?

Yes, but not because natural law is advocated by Catholic natural law theorists. The natural law is the basis for all law. Otherwise, law would have no logical basis.

Have you read the Constitution? It promotes the general welfare mostly by restricting the state.

True. That doesn't obviate the principle.

I'm not familiar with their justification for the first amendment, but they didn't object to established state churches, just a national established church. Many states had established churches well into the 19th century.

Uh, no. I know Thomas Jefferson, for one, objected strongly.

So? The fact is that many states had established churches well into the 19th century. The Founders were aware of this.

When the Bill of Rights to the U.S. Constitution was adopted in 1791, the First Amendment guaranteed that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” This provision ensured that no one religion would be favored over another and protected religious groups from unfair treatment by the federal government. Still it did not protect against unfair treatment by state governments. Indeed, the amendment was thought by many to protect against congressional interference with state governments' involvement with religion-that is, it was thought to prohibit the U.S. Congress from “disestablishing” churches established by state governments.

The American Bar Association.

You took the fact they had a law, and conclude the Founders supported it. You forget something hugely important: they weren't legislators in the Greek sense. America has never handed power to a Lycurgus or a Solon or to a college of Lycurgi and Solons to reorder our laws as seems best.

In revolting against England they placed something above civil obedience.

The Founders were just politicians, with more than usual wisdom (as politicians go).

True.

917 posted on 06/02/2004 10:58:40 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
The same cannot be said of pornography. Divine revelation is not necessary to understand that it is evil.

It would seem that you are in need of a divine revelation to find some logical difference between the use of sexuality as a spectator sport and the use of combat prowess as a spectator sport. You have demonstrated that you are incapable of doing so through your own reason.

918 posted on 06/02/2004 11:00:48 AM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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To: Long Cut
Thank you for admitting the total absence of scientific, verifiable proof.

Applying the standard of empirical evidence to logical arguments is illogical. Specifically, it's a category error.

Science cannot prove itself. That is, it is based on philosophical assumptions, such as the idea that nature is orderly and predictable (natural laws do not randomly vary) and that an observer can trust the data provided by his senses. Neither assumption can be proved by strictly empirical means.

919 posted on 06/02/2004 11:04:15 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
The natural law is the basis for all law.

Insofar as the only natural law universal to human experience is the nonagression principle, you've just shot down what's left of your own argument.

920 posted on 06/02/2004 11:04:28 AM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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