Love on a Porn Set: One Woman's Story (ABC Expose of Porn Industry)

ABC News ^ | 5/27/04

[King Prout]

"60 Minutes" changed all that... for the worse

[DannyTN]

"What, in the name of all that's holy, are you talking about? "

Did you not read the scriptures I posted in 343. It says pay them. It says they are due.

[Modernman]

Porn sex is intrinsically harmful because of STD and AIDS it is fun.

I think that's what it basically comes down to for a lot of the posters on this thread

[Modernman]

Ain't much justice in your sense of justice, Ayatollah.

Ain't much sense in his sense of justice, either.

[Long Cut]

Ping. This really needs to be on the RPR list. We got people here calling for executing porn producers, religious conservatives actually DEFENDING taxes, and others seem to think their moral views are the ONLY correct ones in the world.

It's hilarious to watch those who tie themselves in knots over something as simple as sex go crazy now and then.

[Modernman]

She was eighteen when she went into this industry.

A lot of people are 18 when they go into the military, too. That's a much more dangerous profession.

Care to tell adults that there are other jobs they're too young to take, mom? How about coal mining, or underwater contstruction, taxi driving etc.? I guess we should leave it up to you to decide when adults can take certain jobs.

[HamiltonJay]

News Corp was not only mentioned, it was ALWAYS the first company mentioned, and the fact that they owned FOX NEWS was also mentioned every time they brough up the companies.

Clearly some political motivations for at least part of this story.

Porn is generally a nasty business, always was and always will be. I know people don't want to hear it, but I don't see it getting any better for the girls who wind up in porn until laws force the issue.

Until then they will be by and large nothing but meat for the lions, and tossed aside without a care or a word.

[DannyTN]

I don't think he's familiar with Bastiat's "The Law".

I'm not, although it has been referenced to me in prior discussions of this nature. I'm concerned with

• God's law,
• American Law,
• International law to the extent that we have a agreed to it

in that order, because they affect me.

For all I know Bastiat was some French shirker who advocated government shirking it's responsibility so that Bestiat could in turn shirk his responsibility to pay taxes. And if so, whether he was a shirker out of cowardice, no sense of duty, envy of America, or because he was on the bankroll of some 17th century equivalent of oil vauchers doesn't really matter.

Actually, I just read a quick summary of Bestiat. Certainly I would agree that government itself is a threat to libery. And that the law must be kept within bounds. Balance is always called for.

But I maintain that insufficient consideration of the poor and needy is more likely to cost us control of this country than is overconsideration. Overconsideration costs us a measure of wealth. But underconsideration will incur the wrath of God and that is ultimately more costly.

I think the programs that we have need to be improved. They need to be adequately and appropiately measured and managed and those measurements need to be independent or at least independently audited, not by the people most interested in continuing and enlarging the government program. I think alternatives need to be continually weighed and tested as appropriate. And the cost relative to the benefit of the program should always be reviewed.

I think that as the rate of change in the economy occurs ever faster, resulting in more frequent and more severe economic dislocations, that government sponsored safetly nets, intervention and programs are absolutely critical. I believe that such intervention helps the enconomy more than it costs, encourages risk taking and minimizes economic downturns.

I agree that our laws are too complex and too many. And need to be simplified, and that complexity encourages law breaking.

[spunkets]

"And it is very clear that God expects man to do the same in the administration of earthly justice which is man's responsibility. "

Only insofar as it protects the life and rights of others from infringement.

Roman's 13 was written by Paul and no human is the higher power mentioned by Paul. The higher power God said move on. The powers that be were ordained by God by virtue of creation, they were not created to replace Him. If you wish to represent Him, do as He asked, move on if they don't listen, and give to the poor in His name for His glory, not for the glory of men that use it for purposes of gaining and maintaining their own power.

Joanh was afraid to go as asked, because he figured they'd kill him. Note he was never told to do anything more than speak. Nineva repented at his word, not by the power of coercion he wielded.

[DannyTN]

I never signed up for ANY taxes.

I did. I was born here too. But I also pledged allegiance to the country. And that means supporting it's laws and striving to work within her and for her to help make it the best country possible. That means paying taxes. It means being vocal about which programs make sense and which ones don't. It means voting for men of character who will do what is right in office and not just what is popular or politically expedient.

[narses]

Legislators must work towards a Freer society so as to allow man to exist in the state of Freedom closest to the state God created us.

An interesting theory. Then should laws against rape and murder be repealed? Out of curiosity, is the above your creation, or is it part of a creed or philosophy that you adhere to and can identify?

[TheBigB]

We have an RPR ping list request for discussion. Hopefully we can keep things civil. Look, it's no secret that I watch adult films on occasion. No bestality, children, or farm implements allowed. The industry itself has problems, as ANY other one does. Hell, it's not the safest line of work to be sure, but there are many who have made a good living at it and seem to be functioning normally. Most everyone has heard of Jenna Jameson and Traci Lords. There are others. If these are willing, consensual adults, then I don't see any problem with it. If you don't want to watch, you sure don't have to. And these aren't on public airwaves, either. Free markets rule, and this multi-billion dollar industry wouldn't exist without the demand. My pair o'pennies.

[narses]

Oral sex is no more open to children than anal sodomy, so how is the latter but not the former necessarily disordered and unnatural?

If the oral sex is part of the foreplay of normal marital sex it most certainly IS open to children. See http://www.marysremnant.org/News/Archives/MaritalSexuality.html for a more detailed discussion of the topic.

[DannyTN]

Only insofar as it protects the life and rights of others from infringement.

And in my first post on this thread, I laid out the case that there were a lot of innocents harmed by the Porn industry. There rights should be protected.

"no human is the higher power mentioned by Paul."

Who else do we pay tribute and customs and duties to? It is clear that Paul is talking about governemnt and earthly authorities.

"The powers that be were ordained by God by virtue of creation, they were not created to replace Him."

Calling for government to do the things that God himself has said that government should do, is not calling for government to replace Him.

If you wish to represent Him, do as He asked, move on if they don't listen, and give to the poor in His name for His glory, not for the glory of men that use it for purposes of gaining and maintaining their own power.

He did ask us to give individually to the poor in His name for His glory, but he also commanded kings and rulers to give to the poor. To the extent that we the people are the rulers of America we should do both, not for the glory or power of individual men, but because He said to.

Jonah was afraid to go as asked, because he figured they'd kill him."

The Bible never says Jonah was afraid for his life. It simply says he fled. But Chapter 4 is very clear that Jonah was angry because the people of Ninevah repented and God had mercy on them. And that's the context of the New Testament verses that say "do not judge".

There are people who would love for Christians to be silent who continually throw that "do not judge" verse in our face. But in the context of scripture as a whole, it cannot mean to forsake all judgement and discernment. For we are told to many times to warn others. It can only mean the kind of judging that Jonah did in Jonah chapter 4.

[narses]

"... if your starting point is a limited government restricted to the protection of life,liberty, and property"

But is that the only purpose of government? JUST the "protection of life,liberty, and property"?

"All free governments are instituted for the protection, safety, and happiness of the people. All laws, therefore, should be made for the good of the whole."

See http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/gen_assembly/RiConstitution/C01.htm


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

See http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

[antiRepublicrat]

-Most of these women were victims of sexual abuse as children.

So which one abused her, the Air Force captain or the Mormon bishop?

[antiRepublicrat]

A lot of people who casually defend the industry act as if conditions at these high-end productions are the norm, rather than the rare exception that only a lucky few "performers" achieve.

Very true. Now imagine the conditions if porn were illegal.

[DannyTN]

"Joanh was afraid to go as asked, because he figured they'd kill him."

Actually in rereading it, Jonah actually explains to God that his desire Ninevah not repent was the reason that Jonah fled. Jonah is so mad that Ninevah has avoided God's wrath that he asks God to take his own life. That's clearly not love. THAT is sitting in judgement on people.

Jonah 4:1 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry. 2 And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil. 3 Therefore now, O LORD, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live.

[GraniteStateConservative]

Like the woman mentioned in the Primetime story, most of them arrive on the set thinking that they're going to engage in intercourse interesting work, only to find out that they won't be paid unless they agree to be sodomized.

Replace "intercourse" with "interesting work" and that describes my last job.

That's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life...

"A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy.
"It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.
One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed,
arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies,
false pride, superiority, and ego.

The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity,
humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity,
truth, compassion, and faith.

This same fight is going on inside of you -
and inside every other person, too."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then
asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

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When someone can prove to me that porn teaches men and women to treat each other with greater respect and makes the world a better place, then I'll support it.