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Domestic Anthrax Theories and Early Media Reports
April 6, 2004

Posted on 04/06/2004 1:53:01 PM PDT by Shermy

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To: Shermy; jpl

Top Ten Reasons the FBI will give Judge Hurley to prevent Mrs Stevens from learning who murdered her husband.

(10) Ed Lake just told us Bob Stevens couldn't have died because nobody else got sick.

(9) We've narrowed it down to 537 different labs in 36 nations worldwide. Can we have 6 more months?

(8) We're still waiting to find out who Hatfill called on his cell phone on September 18, oh and April 6, 8 and 9 too, when he was in Florida.

(7) So far we've found out that the killer didn't make the anthrax using Nebraska tapwater in August. We just need more time.

(6) We just got a hot tip from scientifically illiterate retiree in Racine, WI that the killer works in a bowling alley.

(5) Anthrax schmamfrax.

(4) We still think that turtle trap was a portable bioweapons lab.

(3) He was an avid outdoorsman and he drank from a stream.

(2) We have a new theory that the anthrax had a coating of silica - we think that provides a clue we hadn't considered before.
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(1) Meselson just told us all the victims died from eating contaminated sausages.


41 posted on 06/24/2004 12:39:52 PM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel
In a January court filing, the attorneys said six months could allow them to isolate the kind of anthrax used in the attacks.

I thought the government already had identified it as the Ames strain.

Near as I can tell from the sparse news coverage, the government's investigation is going nowhere on this case.

42 posted on 06/24/2004 1:07:15 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Next big battle in our war against Islamofacism? Here at home, 11/02/04. We can't afford to lose.)
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To: TrebleRebel

ROFL! You just made my day dude; I'm going to have to save that top ten list for my permanent archives.


43 posted on 06/24/2004 1:07:27 PM PDT by jpl ("America's greatest chapter is still to be written, for the best is yet to come." - Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Shermy; swarthyguy
As I wrote in another thread,

Only the mindless, whether on the left or the right, allow their judgement of facts to be swayed by their political suasion. A conservative should be able to contemplate a US source for the anthrax attacks, a liberal should be able to contemplate an Iraqi or Al-Qaida origin.

He who walks willingly into the trap of letting his political views dictate his judgement of the truth or falsity of simple facts is a gullible fool who has left himself wide open to manipulation by disinformation artists.

 
The Hatfill affair is the example par excellence. Whoever put the story out, whatever their reason was, they first played the left-wing like a fiddle. When the tune started to get repetitive and the left seemed all played out, they started playing the right-wing also, blending the two in perfect harmony.

Those who think with their politics, on both left and right, reacted utterly predictably throughout. They served themselves up on a silver platter.

** The Moral of Hatfill's Fable **
Don't play poker with your cards face up. It's damn hard to win even when you keep your cards to yourself.

44 posted on 06/25/2004 1:49:36 AM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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Of course the best question would be "What, you mean you just started to analyze the anthrax last November? Why did you wait 2 years?"

The whisperings are that they had traced the genetic type to its source by the end of November of 2001.

They may have a good reason for having let the investigation hit a brick pond.

45 posted on 06/25/2004 1:59:11 AM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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To: TrebleRebel

#41

A true LOL!

Brilliant!

So much inside snipes, a classic.


46 posted on 06/25/2004 11:55:41 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: Khan Noonian Singh
first played the left-wing like a fiddle.

Everytime the ringmaster appends "neocon" or "Cheney" to any piece of disinformation they lose any sense of objectivity.

Linkage to a hate-object blinds them. It's rhetorical sleight-of-hand.

47 posted on 06/25/2004 11:59:32 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
The ringmaster, or maybe one should say circus barker, played both the left-wing and the right-wing like a fiddle.

Those with eyes wide open can see what they did. He who can discern why they did it will find the pieces of mystery fitting into place.

48 posted on 06/26/2004 2:43:45 AM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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To: Mitchell

December 2, 2001 entry

"...Richard H. Ebright, a microbiologist at Rutgers University who has followed the anthrax case and has read the Rosenberg paper, said he found it provocative but unconvincing. "This is one extreme in the theorizing," Dr. Ebright said. "There are elements that are reasonable, but elements that are not. I’m confident that she started with the insider conclusion and then selected the facts."


49 posted on 07/14/2004 7:36:54 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: TrebleRebel
I would say Stan Bedlington and Glenn Cross.

I've been looking. I see what you mean about Bedlington. The Wash Post article, the "superpatriot" comment.

I see Bedlington is a Brit too, served in Malaysi and Palestine. Interesting.

50 posted on 07/15/2004 5:10:42 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Khan Noonian Singh; Mitchell; jpl; TrebleRebel

Just an idle thought -

All the letters were sent through Trenton, only one mailbox found as a mailing point, accross the street from Princeton University.

If someone travelled to Princeton to do this, would they risk doing it twice? And possibly leaving some kind of record of the trips? And mailing the letters at a mailbox on a busy street full of merchants and pedestrian traffic - does that make sense for a non-local?


51 posted on 07/15/2004 5:58:22 PM PDT by Shermy
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<< All the letters were sent through Trenton, only one mailbox found as a mailing point, accross the street from Princeton University.

If someone travelled to Princeton to do this, would they risk doing it twice? And possibly leaving some kind of record of the trips? And mailing the letters at a mailbox on a busy street full of merchants and pedestrian traffic - does that make sense for a non-local? >>

Possibilities-
* Two different mailboxes were used for the two mailings. Only one of them has been found.
* They just did it two times in the same place. Who is going to remember one person from the thousands on that busy street daily? Even if the person goes there two times. They must have skoped it out to know that there was not a video camera near.
52 posted on 07/15/2004 11:36:26 PM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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<< I’m confident that she started with the insider conclusion and then selected the facts. >>

Two conspicuous disinfo campaigns - 1 is the Hatfill accusations and 2 is the Iraqi WMD claim and counter-claim. Disinfo campaign 1 targeted primarily the left, disinfo campaign 2 targeted primarily the right. How? Like this -

1 - Hatfill accusations - End consequence is everybody is too skittish to pursue any domestic leads. Why? Look what is happening to Kristof and the New York Times and so on.

2 - WMD in Iraq 'lies or intelligence failures' - End consequence is everybody is too skittish to pursue foreign leads. Why? Look what is happening to the neocons and the CIA and Bush for publicly giving creedence to Iraqi WMD.

1 and 2 - Summary end consequence is everybody is too skittish to pursue any lead, foreign or domestic. Investigation grinds to a halt. Who benefits? Whoever is the mailer.
53 posted on 07/15/2004 11:53:17 PM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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To: Shermy

Do you think it's possible that the person who physically mailed the letters didn't know what was in the envelopes?


54 posted on 07/16/2004 12:11:57 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell

#54 Yes.


55 posted on 07/16/2004 11:48:37 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: Khan Noonian Singh

"is the Hatfill accusations and 2 is the Iraqi WMD claim and counter-claim. Disinfo campaign 1 targeted primarily the left, disinfo campaign 2 targeted primarily the right. How? Like this -"

Taking your ideas, I think the "right wing" or "domestic loner" theory isn't dependent on Hatfill originally - but leftie stereotyping considering this theory might have something to do with his eventual targeting.

As for the "right", there's more "foreign" theories than Iraq. Anyway, part of the seeming hardheadedness we see and undue "profiling" is because "profiling" is how these investigative agencies operate. There's a bureaucratic group think, founded in CYA, that frustrates us. IOW seeming narrow thinking could be deception, or could be just how the people think.

And I do believe there's been some wild goose chases...that whole "pure anthrax" Dugway experimentation.


56 posted on 07/16/2004 11:56:21 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
All the letters were sent through Trenton, only one mailbox found as a mailing point, accross the street from Princeton University. If someone travelled to Princeton to do this, would they risk doing it twice? And possibly leaving some kind of record of the trips? And mailing the letters at a mailbox on a busy street full of merchants and pedestrian traffic - does that make sense for a non-local?

When you say all the letters, I assume that's not including the one at AMI, correct?

Your questions are good ones. It's possible that the mailer was going to visit an associate at or near the university, on his way up north or south, and just decided to drop off the letters there. But if he indeed used the same box both times, that is very odd indeed.

I wonder if the feds have done any kind of investigation of Islamist types who may be working at the university.

57 posted on 07/16/2004 1:11:47 PM PDT by jpl ("America's greatest chapter is still to be written, for the best is yet to come." - Ronald W. Reagan)
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"1 is the Hatfill accusations and 2 is the Iraqi WMD claim and counter-claim. Disinfo campaign 1 targeted primarily the left, disinfo campaign 2 targeted primarily the right. How? Like this -"

<< Taking your ideas, I think the "right wing" or "domestic loner" theory isn't dependent on Hatfill originally - but leftie stereotyping considering this theory might have something to do with his eventual targeting. >>

Tru, 1 was meant to discourage investigation of the domestic angle, 2 was meant to discourage investigation of the foreign angle.

Most of the time, people ready to jump on the domestic bandwagon at a mere hint were on the left, and people ready to jump on the Iraq bandwagon at a mere hint were on the right. Not always, but most of the time.

Political affiliation is irrellevant. Between 1 and 2, investigation of either domestic or foreign sources has been discouraged.
58 posted on 07/17/2004 1:14:58 AM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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Tru, 1 was meant to discourage investigation of the domestic angle, 2 was meant to discourage investigation of the foreign angle.

Are you saying that 1 and 2 are two sides of the same coin? It's very hard to believe that there's any sort of connection between Joe Wilson and Steven Hatfill. But I'm not sure if that's what you meant.

59 posted on 07/18/2004 12:23:10 AM PDT by Mitchell
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"Tru, 1 was meant to discourage investigation of the domestic angle, 2 was meant to discourage investigation of the foreign angle."

<< Are you saying that 1 and 2 are two sides of the same coin? It's very hard to believe that there's any sort of connection between Joe Wilson and Steven Hatfill. But I'm not sure if that's what you meant. >>

1 and 2 are two legs on the same stool but Wilson isn't the person at to look. Who forged the Niger uranium document? That is who to look at. And Terrance Wilkinson.

Was there also not a Hatfill forgery I think? And also debunked?

Similar methodology. Similar results.
60 posted on 07/18/2004 9:29:18 AM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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