Homosexuality Avoidable, Doctor Tells Parents

San Francisco Faith: The Bay Areas Lay Catholic Newspaper. ^ | Dr. Joseph Nicolosi

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What you mean 'we,' failsafe?

[KeyTapper]

Good night all of me!

[I got the rope]

I believe that homosexuality is a hormonal disorder much like bipolar disorder. I think if we REALLY studied it we would find a cure for it.

The question is...will homosexuals take the drug...and which homosexuals will be willing to submit themselves to be studied.

I truly believe that we haven't found a chemical link to homosexuality yet, because of the APA, and others.

[BykrBayb]

Wrong again. *WE* have the scrabble set! (c:

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Goodnight to you too. This was fun. And I don't have to get up early with preschoolers--yeah!

[BykrBayb]

Nite All!

[MoJo2001]

Homeschooling takes a lot of work. It isn't for everyone. However, you do need to be sober. I'm thinking you should be. LOL! Who knows.

If I had your patience, I'd homeschool as well.

As for being the "fantasy of GIs in Iraq", I guess if someone would spend less time making fun of those that do support the troops and do it themselves..we'd all be better off for it.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Well thanks Mojo. Apparently some people would rather tear the troops down than build them up. Even those who call themsevles Conservatives.

It is sad really.

Guess they learned nothing from Viet Nam ,and the left's use of propaganda to try and ruin this country.

Well I will do what I can to prevent that from happening again. (Some of these gals have an issue with strong male types, or are just too lazy to fight for anything important.) Good to see you Mojo!

[MoJo2001]

We are facing moral issues in this country like never before. We are facing the total lack of respect for the laws of this country by the Supreme Court of MA and San Fran's mayor.

We are still fighting the War On Terror. Islamic Jihadists are trying to figure out ways to blow us to bits.

And we have a Presidential Election coming up.

Honestly, we all have better things to worry about.

At least from my military family, I say "THANK YOU" for your support of our Troops. It's greatly appreciated.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Well thank you for that, and thanks goes to your military family. Thanks to all troops,vets and those who support them.

Freedom is not free and we need to make sure we keep up the fight here at home, even if it means battling a bunch of liberal cowards who hide at the keyboards, trying to tear down our troops and the support they get.

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Here is an interpretation of the twin study data by Dr. Neil Whitehead:

"Identical twins have identical genes. If homosexuality was a biological condition produced inescapably by the genes (e.g. eye color), then if one identical twin was homosexual, in 100% of the cases his brother would be too. But we know that only about 38% of the time is the identical twin brother homosexual. Genes are responsible for an indirect influence, but on average, they do not force people into homosexuality. This conclusion has been well known in the scientific community for a few decades (e.g. 6) but has not reached the general public. Indeed, the public increasingly believes the opposite.

"Identical twins had essentially the same upbringing. Suppose homosexuality resulted from some interaction with parents that infallibly made children homosexual. Then if one twin was homosexual, the other would also always be homosexual. But as we saw above, if one is homosexual, the other is usually not. Family factors may be an influence, but on average do not compel people to be homosexual.

"Twin studies suggest that as a class, events unique to each twin--neither genetic nor family influences--are more frequent than genetic influences or family influences. But many individual family factors (such as the distant father) are commoner than the individual unique factors. Unique events would include seduction, sexual abuse, chance sexual encounters, or particular reactions to sensitive events, when young. Everyone has their own unique path which only partly follows that of the theoreticians!

A fascinating sidelight on all this comes from the work of Bailey (7). His team asked non-concordant identical twins (one was homosexual, one not) about their early family environment, and found that the same family environment was experienced or perceived by the twins in quite different ways. These differences led later to homosexuality in one twin, but not in the other."

http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead2.html

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I want to assure you of two things.

First, I don't have an axe to grind or a dog in this race. I have nothing against you.

Second, I really don't know who "them" are that I might have been one of.

[Xenalyte]

All your Scrabble are belong to us!

[DSHambone]

From the study interpretation you cited:
These results give reason to believe that there is some constitutional component to male homosexuality. However, the twin data are consistent not only with a purely genetic explanation, but also with one involving possible differences in the degree of shared prenatal environment between monozygotic and dizygotic twins (as explained earlier, monozygotic twins experience higher similarity in foetal hormone production, both in timing and in amount, than do dizygotic twins). Some recent theories of the genesis of homosexuality, to be mentioned in the next section, place critical importance on hormone levels in the prenatal environment of an individual. If such theories are true, then the difference in concordance rates between monozygotic and dizygotic twins could be explained largely in these terms (see next section). It should be noted that such an explanation still relies on genetically controlled prenatal hormone production to account for observed differences in concordance between monozygotic and dizygotic twins.

http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/timt/papers/twin_studies/analysis.html

From an interesting article:

The rejection of a genetic cause of homosexuality by essentially all conservative Christians and some others seem to be based upon a faulty knowledge of the inner workings of genetics. Genes have a property called penetrance, which is a measure of their effectiveness, or power. Consider the gene for Huntington's Disease. It has two alleles (varieties). One is a very rare allele will causes the person to fall victim to the disease. The other, much more common, variety prevents the disease. This particular gene is 100% penetrant. If you were born with the allele that causes the disease, then you are certain to develop the disease later in life. The penetrance of the gene which causes Type 1 (early onset) diabetes is only 30%. So, if one identical twin has the allele that causes diabetes, then the other twin will have the same allele. Both will have a 30% chance of developing the disorder. Both twins will have the identical allele, but it may or may not be triggered by something in the environment, and cause diabetes. Similarly, if one identical twin develops schizophrenia, the other twin has over a 60% chance of also developing the disorder. If one twin develops bipolar affective disorder, the other twin's chances are about 60%.

One theory that fits the available observations is that the penetrance of the "gay gene(s)" is approximately 67%. That causes half of the males with the gene(s) become gay. "There could be hundreds of millions of straight men walking around with this gay allele but who are straight simply because it didn't penetrate" In the case of the "gay gene(s)" perhaps 10% or more of all males have the allele that causes homosexuality, but in many cases is the allele not "triggered".

Assuming that the penetrance of the "gay gene" or "gay genes" is 67%, then one would expect that if one fraternal twin was gay that the other would also be gay about 22% of the time. This number also agrees with studies of families with twins.

Nobody knows what triggers the allele. It might be some event happening in the womb, like an abnormal amount or irregular timing of hormones. It might be some event during early childhood. Either way, it is outside the control of the individual and his family of origin.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus3.htm

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Sticks and stones will break my bones
But I support the troops better than you.

If you think the troops in Iraq sit every day surfing through your virtual paperdolls play on the canteen threads feeling oh-so-buoyed-up, that's hilarious. If you think your "me! me! me!" games are supporting the troops, that's beyond hilarious. It's the most childish thing I've seen online from a supposed adult.

But when Kerry becomes President and returning troops are being spat upon because he is accusing them of war crimes and letting the World Court try them for killing Iraqi babies, it'll be as much your fault as any Bush-Bashing traitor who let a lib's vote go unanswered. When the Supreme Court is packed with pro-choice monsters who will systematically rule the Constitution un-Constitutional, the blame will be on your shoulders. When our intelligence and military apparatus are incapable of answering the next terrorist attack against us, I'll blame you. When they come for your guns, all your declarations that you are conservative will mean nothing. And you will have only yourself to blame.

Kerry is out for revenge on the military and you're out there helping him get it, by bashing the most conservative President we can possibly have at this time.

And you're the useful idiot who will help him do that to our troops. You make me sick.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

You are so obsessed with me.. Lets see.. I am smarter, cuter, have way more friends .....and I have normal children. I don't need prozac ,or other meds to get me through the day like you do.. and I have my good health. All around I am better off than you.

I can understand it really. My life is much more interesting than yours. BTW- I never said that I was not going to vote for Bush. I have supported him throughout this forum.. I was angry for awhile.. SO WHAT - I know you think you know everything but my Web sever says there are troops listening and watching by the thousands. So again you are wrong on all accounts. I understand you have mental issues and I be embarrassed of myself and my family if I were you too.

Your obsession with me can not be healthy. Perhaps you should talk about it at your next session.. Watching my every move and post is just not healthy for such a jealous and obsessed creature as yourself.

If I make you so sick why do you spend so much time thinking about me and following me around?

[KeyTapper]

You're really a pre-teen, right? That's about the level of such as childish response.

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I never said that I was not going to vote for Bush. I have supported him throughout this forum..
You are a baldfaced LIAR and insane to boot. Accusing my friends of being pedophiles now?

I see you've expanded your repertoire slightly. Claiming to be a teenager? Save that for the AOL chatrooms. I know you're young but you aren't that young.

[BykrBayb]

My father, all 4 of my uncles, all 3 of my brothers, 2 of my 3 sisters, 2 of my brothers-in-law, 1 of my nephews, my son and my husband have all served in the military. One of my brothers retired from the Air Force. My husband retired from the Army (Infantry.) My son is an electronics technician in navigation aboard a nuclear sub in the Navy. I don't think I need to take advice from the likes of you and John Kerry on how to support our troops.