Homosexuality Avoidable, Doctor Tells Parents

San Francisco Faith: The Bay Areas Lay Catholic Newspaper. ^ | Dr. Joseph Nicolosi

[macrahanish #1]

Why do you associate playing music with effeminate behavior?

[capitan_refugio]

With regard to the twin studies, I did a google search like the one I suggested and one of the first hits was this overview:

http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/timt/papers/twin_studies/studies.html

This gives some additional references.

[MasonGal]

Re: Your post #135 - Well Said!!

[Diva Betsy Ross]

There are some posters here who can not make serious sense out of anything. I think in their "pea sized" liberal brains they think they are entertaining people, and they mostly care that they are entertaining themselves.

It is the same handful of posters who show up all over this the forum to poke fun at , and mock others. IMO, they are motivated by a very dark sense of humor. They are very proud of their liberal dark humor, and they disrupt serious discussion on topics like this all the time.

They like to ping each other and gang up on serious posters.. for their own enjoyment and, IMO some warped sense of self. Some of them claim to be married to each other and then to yet another poster. Seems to be a ring of them.

Take everything they ever say with a grain of salt... they are goofs, mentally impaired ... with little brain power. They are confused liberals with too much time on their hands.

It is funny to see them when they cross the wrong serious poster one too many times. Now that I enjoy, that is funny!

[netmilsmom]

OH MAN! I tried pinging you to this thread last night and forgot where the x goes in your name. I needed you here so bad.

I just came from a 4H meeting. All the boys there acted just like all the boys I saw at my daughter's school.

Mondays we have choir, Tuesdays Polish Dance, Wednesday are open for playdates or we can go to our senior's home with all the other homeschoolers, Thursdays our homeschooling group does educational fieldtrips, everyother Friday we have 4H. I'm two months into this and I need a little LESS socialization. I love having my daughter home, my near to four year old is reading and doing simple math and no teacher with less education than I have is calling my daughter "Pokey Nettie" because my daughter can't concentrate in a classroom full of chaos!!!!!!

Thank YOU to all the FReepers who helped my hubby agree that this was the best for our kids.

Well that was my homeschooling rant. I do not know a single homeschooler who's main purpose in life is to keep the children away from all other human beings. That is cliche and stupid. We are just more selective about who we see.

[303george]

Conversion Therapy? Give me a break.

Let's see, both the American Psychological Association and the American Psyciatric Association have issued public statements against this kind of "therapy." There has NEVER been a study demonstrating that it works published in any major peer reviewed scientific journal.

And this quack Nicolosi has a PhD from the California School of Professional Psychology, essentially a diploma mill, and has no clinical training at all.

[HitmanLV]

Re: Homosexuality Avoidable, Doctor Tells Parents

Well, I used to know this girl who really liked guys, and ...

[upchuck]

Keeping ya busy ping.

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

I beg to differ. From the homosexuals I know, there's a whole lot of stuff in here that rings true - the detached, emotionally-unavailable father, playing with girl stuff and no dad around to tell him that that's wrong, etc. etc. AND down the street from us is a situation where the family of 5 kids (all in grade school, mind you) has a middle boy who is already a "cross-dresser" at the age of 7 and his older brother is a big bully, who is encouraged to be a bully by his idiot father, half of time whom I'm tempted to call the police on his behavior (lighting fire crackers in their small back yard, etc. - this is a very suburban setting, mind you).

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

100% of homosexuals were abused? Preposterous.

Define "abuse". If the dad is living in the house, but is emotionally unattached from the child, that is a form of abuse. Subtle, but yes, still abuse. Emotional abuse. No attention vs. too much negative attention (beatings, etc. etc. etc.). It all has an influence on the child's psyche.

[netmilsmom]

>>I'm a homeschooler, and I don't read that in this article. What I do read is that he is warning homeschooling parents that we need to make stronger efforts (if not already doing so), for our sons to have male friends and good male role models. <<

This article, if anything, is preaching to the choir. How many homeschooling families do you know that do not expose their children to other children? Are we the people who are overlooking boys who tend to be feminine? No, we are the ones who know right from wrong and encourage family. The public schools and encouraging rainbows and triangles are the problem.

I still say he flip flops.

[Triple Word Score]

You're right. It's a poorly written article that rambles from point to point and contradicts itself. I wonder if the writer ever thought to write from an outline? It's a technique that imposes marvelous discipline on chaotic thoughts.

Obviously, however, even a badly written polemic on male influence, homeschooling and homosexuality has the power to scare a neurotic homeschooling mom who measures the spring constant in her young sons' wrists every day after their tennis lessons, just in case. She will fret that a chance remark from some nasty little Publikly Skoold Girl will Turn Her Son Gay. This is the sort of woman who will lie awake every night wondering if she can still call her younger son's charming accent a baby lisp. ;-)

If he's three, she can. If he's thirty-three, maybe it's time to Accept What She Cannot Change.

[Dolphy]

I beg to differ.

There are a lot of screwed up families producing screwed up kids. And sadly, those screwed up parents were probably raised by the same kind of parent they eventually became. I don't believe, however, if there were no screwed up families that there would be no homosexuals.

[BykrBayb]

It's good to see that you're taking your children's socialization seriously. Do all these activities magically happen, or do they require some effort on your part? If you agree with the doctor that you should arrange peer interaction for your children, why did you get so upset with him for saying so? As I expressed in an earlier post to you, I realize that home-schoolers are frequently mischaracterized in a negative light. I suppose this puts you on the defensive. If the article had started with one of the many advantages to home-schooling, maybe your perception of the rest of the article would have been different. When you got to the first mention of home-schooling, and it dealt with one of the challenges, you immediately went into defensive mode. I think it tainted your perception of the rest of the article. I think it hung over your head like an anvil, preventing you from devoting your full attention to the rest of the article. It was the part of the article that illicited strong emotion, and therefor became the entire article for you. You analyzed the remainder of the article in relationship to the one segment that angered you. I think if you could clear your mind of the notion that everyone is either promoting or bashing home-schooling, you would realize this article isn't about home-schooling at all. It's about early childhood development of gender identity, and how that relates to homosexuality. Personally, I don't think one has very much to do with the other. I do agree with the doctor regarding the influences that affect a child's gender identity. It helps if the child is influenced by (& bonds with) feminine women, masculine men, and and a variety of children their own age. However, I don't think effeminate men or butch women are necessarily drawn toward homosexuality. I do see gay men exposing their feminine side for show, and lesbians exposing their masculine side for show. But in a casual environment where they aren't trying to display their homosexuality, they tend to settle back into the traditional role of masculine man or feminine woman. I've known a few effeminate straight men, and many masculine straight women. They will emulate the traditional gender role for show, for example a woman wearing a wedding dress and looking oh-so-feminine, but then in a casual setting revert to their more comfortable mannerisms. Confession time - I'm included in that group. I've been mistaken for a lesbian more times than I'd like to admit. Why? Because I usually wear blue jeans, a tee-shirt, and sneakers. I almost never wear make-up. In a social setting I'm usually more interested in the men's conversations than the women's. And of course that rides-her-own-Harley thing is a real killer. The funny thing is, lesbians don't mistake me for a lesbian. It's like they know that these little characteristics have nothing to do with homosexuality. Society in general seems to want to link blurred gender characteristics with homosexuality. I think they, and Dr. Nicolosi are wrong about that.

[CGVet58]

ROTFLMAO

[Jaysun]

A classmate of mine who became a homosexual: Absent divorced Dad, Abusive Stepfather, Close relationship with mother and grandmother, Mean older brother, Mother headed up "Home-Ec"-type rural kids group and made him an active member (cooking, sewing, crafts), Mother encouraged his singing and acting, Lived in a trailer and had no physical outdoor activity

Sounds like that poor chap was served the insidious septet of doom. Elton John's father left him and his Mother to fend for themselves. Elton was raised by his Aunt and Mother and he spent his days frolicking about in rose gardens as a boy. Elton didn't bother going to his ole man's funeral.

[netmilsmom]

>>If he's three, she can. If he's thirty-three, maybe it's time to Accept What She Cannot Change.<<

*snicker!*

[Jaysun]

It does? I think I can stop reading right here. This person is obviously clueless about homeschooling. I am NEVER home because my three BOYS are constantly out and about. They also all have quite an interest in girls. This goes for the many, many homeschool families I've known in the thirteen years I've been homeschooling. Of course, what good is anecdotal evidence?

Why not finish the article? I think you'll find that he's on your side: "They have to make appointments and drive and it's a lot of work, whereas going to school, there's already a built-in social network. . I think that the burden of responsibility, unfortunately, falls on the parents of children who are homeschooling to provide opportunities tot their children to have peer interactions. That's very important. I'm not saying that homeschooling produces homosexuals. I am saying that parents who homeschool have an additional burden of being concerned about these issues."