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To: #3Fan
"Cried to the heavens"? You guys have a thing about being overdramatic. I simply asked for proof of thousands of rapes that he claimed, proof he couldn't even come close to coming up with.

Au contraire. Thousands did occur, as Dr. Lowry noted, thousands were under the other categories. IIRC, Edward Steers Jr, author of Blood on the Moon: The Assassination of Abraham Lincoln stated in a program on C-SPAM (sic) (Booknotes?) that almost 20,000 of the courts-martial were for rape/sexual assaults. Whether or not you choose to believe their years of research is out of my control. Not all crimes are reported and investigated, but even after posting documentation from multiple sources you still refused to believe the Justice of the Georgia Supreme Court was hung, despite his personal account of the incident.

Secessionists got near 100% [of the vote]. Proves who was allowed to attend and who wasn't. No wonder Texas' own Governer called it illegal.

Please stop making this stuff up. The vote was nowhere near 100%. Even then, Dale Baum writes,

"Most were former Whigs, Know-Nothings, or Houston supporters who boycotted the referendum balloting because they considered it unauthorized or believed their chances of preventing secession were hopeless."
Dale Baum, The Shattering of Texas Unionism: Politics in the Lone Star State During the Civil War Era, Baton Rouge, LA: Louisiana State University Press (1998), p. 45
"The allegations, made at the time by unionists and often repeated subsequently, that Texas secessionists coerced and silenced many voters or miscounted the votes to their advantage, were often sweeping and intensely emotional charges supported with little, if any, solid evidence. Typical of the generalized, but largely unsubstantiated, accusations were the charges made by unionist refugees that "many" of the reported secessionist majorities were "false" and that threats and intimidation caused "thousands" of anti-secessionists to vote for secession or not vote at all."
Ibid., p. 58
"Evidence showing precisely where and how secessionists fraudulently smothered unionist sentiment remains not only impressionistic, but also uncorroborated."
Ibid., p. 59
My prior post by Baum (#889) shows the opposite - that fraudulent results were obtained by unionists in Uvalde County among others.
986 posted on 03/19/2004 6:24:27 AM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Au contraire. Thousands did occur, as Dr. Lowry noted, thousands were under the other categories. IIRC, Edward Steers Jr, author of Blood on the Moon: The Assassination of Abraham Lincoln stated in a program on C-SPAM (sic) (Booknotes?) that almost 20,000 of the courts-martial were for rape/sexual assaults. Whether or not you choose to believe their years of research is out of my control. Not all crimes are reported and investigated, but even after posting documentation from multiple sources you still refused to believe the Justice of the Georgia Supreme Court was hung, despite his personal account of the incident.

You only came up with 350 courts martial for sexual assaults. You're just out and out lying now. Just like you guys lied about people being shot for voting for McClellan in New York.

Please stop making this stuff up. The vote was nowhere near 100%. Even then, Dale Baum writes, "Most were former Whigs, Know-Nothings, or Houston supporters who boycotted the referendum balloting because they considered it unauthorized or believed their chances of preventing secession were hopeless." Dale Baum, The Shattering of Texas Unionism: Politics in the Lone Star State During the Civil War Era, Baton Rouge, LA: Louisiana State University Press (1998), p. 45 "The allegations, made at the time by unionists and often repeated subsequently, that Texas secessionists coerced and silenced many voters or miscounted the votes to their advantage, were often sweeping and intensely emotional charges supported with little, if any, solid evidence. Typical of the generalized, but largely unsubstantiated, accusations were the charges made by unionist refugees that "many" of the reported secessionist majorities were "false" and that threats and intimidation caused "thousands" of anti-secessionists to vote for secession or not vote at all." Ibid., p. 58 "Evidence showing precisely where and how secessionists fraudulently smothered unionist sentiment remains not only impressionistic, but also uncorroborated." Ibid., p. 59 My prior post by Baum (#889) shows the opposite - that fraudulent results were obtained by unionists in Uvalde County among others.

At the conventions they got near 100%. It was a sham and in violation of Article IV Section 4.

989 posted on 03/19/2004 9:09:58 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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