[xzins]

Thank you, AG.

Your summary is the most concise I've seen so far.

Since everything stems from a first cause that means there is no free will doesn't explain for me God's decision to grant free will.

God chose to make a rock, a duck, a tree, and a "free will" in man. My sense is that He made it properly.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your reply!

Oh, I certainly agree that we have free will. I was just trying to restate the essay as succinctly as possible.

I also agree that were are predestined. From God's view - outside of space/time - He sees the story all at once. From our view - inside of space/time - we see it one frame at a time.

It may sound like a contradiction that I say both statements are true. It is not, though. A more thorough explanation is in my post 34 on another thread.

[A.J.Armitage]

Since everything stems from a first cause that means there is no free will doesn't explain for me God's decision to grant free will.

Well, any serious interaction with the argument?

From what's gone on so far, it looks an awful like when you try to examine how libertarian free will would work, it stops making any sense. Simply asserting that a libertarian free will exists won't do anything to change that.