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To: Ephesians210; Alamo-Girl; logos; marron; unspun; xzins; lockeliberty; restornu
God has already judged Joseph Smith and so do we....

I don't know, Ephesians210, but I have great difficulty understanding this attitude. God calls us to love one another, not to judge one another. How do you know that God has already judged Joseph Smith? Do you understand your wisdom to be greater than the Lord's? I say, leave the issue to Him; for Joseph Smith is as much His child as you or I. God is Father to all men. It seems to me the judgment of the son is most properly left to the Father Himself.

My understanding is there is only one unforgiveable sin, and that is to sin against the Holy Spirit, which is Love. FWIW.

920 posted on 02/17/2004 7:26:27 AM PST by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Ephesians210
My understanding is there is only one unforgiveable sin, and that is to sin against the Holy Spirit, which is Love. FWIW.
But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress. For men will be lovers of self,...holding the form of religon but denying the power of it....As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith; but they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.

....he must hold firm to the sure word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to confute those who contradict it. For there are many insubordinate men, empty talkers and deceivers,...Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith.

922 posted on 02/17/2004 7:49:12 AM PST by lockeliberty (Heilsgeschichte)
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To: betty boop
Re: I don't know, Ephesians210, but I have great difficulty understanding this attitude.
I understand. When a subjectivist fails to heed the entire counsel of God's Word, but picks out passages, out of context, that seem to fit their own subjective feelings, they have a hard time understanding those who do heed the entire counsel of God's Word.

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God calls us to love one another, not to judge one another.
Really? Tell me then what does the following passages say?
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1 Corinthians 2:15
But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
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1 Corinthians 5
11But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person. 12For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."[1]
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What
Maybe you have misunderstood what "judging", is. Maybe you have read things into God's Word that you want to see instead of what is actually being said.

Tell me what this commandment of Jesus means?

6"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.(Matthew 7:6)
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That is not suggestion, it is a command. Do you take that command seriously?

How can you follow that command unless you first determine(judge), who are dogs and swine?

How do you know that God has already judged Joseph Smith?
Because God has already said that heretics and false prophets will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Do you understand your wisdom to be greater than the Lord's?
No, I follow God's Word, which is Wisdom.

I say, leave the issue to Him;
God says differently. I will believe God and not you.

for Joseph Smith is as much His child as you or I.
No, only the elect who have trusted in Christ have the right to be called the children of God.

God is Father to all men.
Not following the entire counsel of God's Word leads to false notions such as that.

John 1
11He came to His own,[1] and His own[2] did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

All others are sons of disobedience;
Ephesians 5
5For this you know,[1] that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7Therefore do not be partakers with them.
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I'm not deceived by your empty words.

It seems to me the judgment of the son is most properly left to the Father Himself.
Joseph Smith was a false prophet and son of the devil. What "seems" to you, is not in allignment with God's Word.
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Proverbs 14:12
There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

Why does 1 John 3:11 say there are legitimate "children of God" and others are "children of the devil"? My understanding is there is only one unforgiveable sin, and that is to sin against the Holy Spirit, which is Love. FWIW.

Can you back that up with Scripture as opposed to mere subjective feelings? Make your case with Scripture, because mere opinions are worthless.

927 posted on 02/17/2004 8:33:50 AM PST by Ephesians210
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