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To: Hootowl
South Africa's original natives, Bushmen, Hottentots, and San, are long gone from that region. The Hottentots are mostly extinct. A few Bushmen and San still live in the Kalahari Desert and in other spots. This is the partly the fault of white settlers, who arrived there in 1652, and partly the fault of the Xhosa and Zulu tribes, who ravaged the area during the 19th century. Of those who live in the southernmost part of South Africa, the Boers and English pre-date the "native" Xhosa and Zulu by centuries. To whom, then should the land belong? The white settlers who built cities and farms and a civlization there, or the blacks who migrated there much later?

There were only a few Bushmen and Hottentots (I don't know about the "San") around when the Dutch first arrived in the early 1650s. In 1836 [?] some Boers, dissatisfied with British rule (instituted in 1806) of the Cape Colony, began to move northward and founded the Orange Free State and Transvaal. They clashed first with Blacks fleeing southward from rampaging Zulus and finally with the Zulus themselves. They defeated the Zulus in the Battle of Blood River in 1838.

South Africa has had an illegal immigration problem for years -- the same as the U.S and for the same reason. White South African business hired cheap Black labor in preference to more expensive White labor. Many Asian Indians also settled in South Africa to work. Eventually whites became a minority in the country they founded and, well, you know the rest of the story.

I should add that with the election of the National Party in 1948, Grand Apartheid, the separate development on the races, became offical policy.

To claim that Africa is a "black" continent is also nonsense. Most of northern Africa's peoples are Semites who, until recent times, were considered Caucasion.

Berbers, a fair-skinned people in the Magreb (Libya west), and Copts in Egypt, as well.

It's an intractable problem, but not unsolvable, with time and just laws and fair treatment. If people on both sides, though, continue to stoke the fires of racial hatred, I don't doubt that they will have their own holocaust in this century.

Human beings (and animals) are by nature tribal and tribes are by nature territorial and competitive. A racially (frequently even an ethnically or religiously) diverse society is by definition inherently prone to balkanization. Ironically enough, it seems that the only racially diverse societies that muddle through are ones where, quite frankly, one race is on top (such Whites were in this country and South Africa at one time and still are in parts of Latin America) or where there is a sort of "caste" sytem -- Malaysia comes to mind (Malaysians own the land, serve in the military and run the country, Chinese run the businesses and Indians are the professionals). This minimizes the friction inherent in competition between the races.

We're importing race war into this country. On top of the problems inherent in a racially diverse society, multiculturalism, victimology and leftism in general is making a bad situation worse. Non-whites, by and large, don't believe in racial equality -- you may have noticed that wherever they are in control -- owning an apartment building, running a business or dominating a town -- they openly and blatantly favor their own kind. At this point in time, I think that the only thing that holds this country together is prosperity. If and when we get into another Depression, this glue will disappear and I don't know what will happen. Something ugly, I think.

224 posted on 02/09/2004 10:01:43 PM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: Siamese Princess
You're 100% incorrect on one salient fact.

Though it is 100% true, South Africa has had for decades and throughout Apartheid, continuing through this very moment,a terrible ILLEGAL ALIEN problem, it has NOTHING at all to do with whites hiring them for lower rates than SA blacks, whites, and/or colored.The black ILLEGALS, came/come to SA because their own countries are war torn,starving them, and/or has no jobs.

For many decades, the military was stationed at the border with a few other countries and sent the illegals back, though some have always gotten through. Contrary to your statement, most of the illegals don't get jobs and starve, become criminals,etc.

228 posted on 02/09/2004 10:17:15 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Siamese Princess
My second novel, "Domestic Enemies," will largely be set in the state of Nuevo Mexico, soon after they pass the "Solo Espanol" laws. It's going to be a tale of the "American Kosovo." So-called Land Reform will be issue number one, as the Spanish Land Grants are reexamined by the radical judges and state legislature. Since 5th generation Anglo ranchers are unlikely to pack and leave without a fight, it's going to get ugly fast. Of course, it's just fiction.
233 posted on 02/09/2004 10:24:26 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Siamese Princess
South Africa has had an illegal immigration problem for years -- the same as the U.S and for the same reason. White South African business hired cheap Black labor in preference to more expensive White labor. Many Asian Indians also settled in South Africa to work. Eventually whites became a minority in the country they founded and, well, you know the rest of the story..

Coming soon to a country near you...especially if we don't build a "Great Wall of Texas" sometime soon...

246 posted on 02/09/2004 10:45:37 PM PST by Ronzo (GOD alone is enough.)
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