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If John the Baptist were born again then he would have had to, by definition, have been on his way to Hell.

But you said we were ALL BORN to fry in hell. But John the Baptist was supposedly BORN... Born again. Which would mean that he was born to be saved and hell was NEVER a possibility for him.

Indeed, if we accept election as the Calvinist defines it, ALL the elect are literally born to be saved and they are born literally destined to heaven and only the reprobates are born to be fried in hell.

So you are misleading xJones by saying that we are ALL born to fry in hell. You weren't born to be fried in hell, were you? In your doctrine nothing you have done, or could have done or could not have done would have changed that fact. Your destiny was sealed before the foundation of the earth. Your destiny of heaven was sealed before you were even conceived. So you were NOT born to fry in Hell, you were born to be forever with Christ in Heaven. It was your eternal destiny even before the foundation of the earth. Am I correct?

In your doctrine every elect was chosen and elected before they were born, so the elect have no possible destination other than heaven and everyone else has no possible destination other then hell.

So how can you say that we are ALL born to fry in hell?

We are all human beings, sons of Adam, born in sin, worthy of hell.

From before the foundation of the world God chose among His creation the names of those who would sit with Him in heaven. The future is not a secret from God. He creates the future, as He wills. If your name has been written in the Book of Life, God put it there, not you.

There are only two kinds of people on this planet, Marlowe. The elect and the damned. Do you disagree with that?

The elect are not born free of sin; all men are born fallen and dead to God. The elect, however, chosen by God from all races from all parts of the earth before the foundation of the world, are known to God. And for His elect, He sent His only son, Jesus Christ, to suffer and die as an atonement for our sins.

All this is God's plan. All this has been known and ordained by God from before the foundation of the world.

To assume anything less is to make God less than God and man more than man.

You, on the other hand, think some men are more holy than others, more devout, more intelligent, more worthy of being saved by virtue of their virtue.

Calvinists believe we are all the same. And our choices are all the same -- we all choose to sin and flee from the face of God.

But by the singular grace of God, and only by the grace of God, some are saved. Not through any good behavior or skin color or bank account or family pedigree or sacrament or smart decision. Only through the grace of God.

Salvation is of the Lord. All else is heresy.

But you said we were ALL BORN to fry in hell. But John the Baptist was supposedly BORN... Born again. Which would mean that he was born to be saved and hell was NEVER a possibility for him.

If John the Baptist were born saved, than he would have been born saved, not born to be saved. If he were saved, what was he saved from?

If he were saved from going to hell then that means at some point he was on his way to hell. Otherwise he would not have needed saving.

But that doesn't negate the fact that the same argument for John the Baptist applies here as well.

We are saved, saved from what? Saved from going to hell. If we were saved from going to hell that means at some point we were going there.

So you are misleading xJones by saying that we are ALL born to fry in hell.

I probably could have worded it better and said we were all born on our way to hell. But I was using the words xJones posted.

You weren't born to be fried in hell, were you? In your doctrine nothing you have done, or could have done or could not have done would have changed that fact. Your destiny was sealed before the foundation of the earth.

Indeed, that is after all what the Scriptures teach:

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Your destiny of heaven was sealed before you were even conceived. So you were NOT born to fry in Hell, you were born to be forever with Christ in Heaven. It was your eternal destiny even before the foundation of the earth. Am I correct?

Yes.

The Elect may not have been "born to fry in hell," but they were born on their way there.

In your doctrine every elect was chosen and elected before they were born, so the elect have no possible destination other than heaven and everyone else has no possible destination other then hell.

Yes.

In your doctrine, when was your destiny sealed.....or is it yet?

So how can you say that we are ALL born to fry in hell?

Those were xJones' words. I used them in framing my post to him. I restated my position above which is that everyone is born on their way to hell, whether they end up there or not.

It's late so I'll say good night now Marlowe. I have a job interview tomorrow so I's needs my beauty sleep.

I'll check in tomorrow sometime to see what you have to say.