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To: P-Marlowe; CCWoody; xzins
So, when God permits Murder, is His Will to grant such Permission -- Imperfect?
No because it is in line with his ultimate will. That all things work together for good.

Alright, now you've introduced a new term. God's "Ultimate Will".

Keep spinning, Marlowe... I could be well moved, if I were as you. But I am constant as the Northern Star, of whose true fixed and resting quality there is no fellow in the firmament.

If God's Ultimate Will is Perfect, then God has Ultimately, Perfectly Willed the Damnation of those whom He has Ultimately, Perfectly appointed to Damnation.

If it is God's Ultimate Will that certain individuals be damned; And if God's Ultimate Will is Perfect; then God has Perfectly Willed the damnation of certain individuals.


Of course, the matter is simplified when we realize that which you refer to as God's "Perfect Will", which should in many cases be more correctly called God's moral Commandments to Men, is but an aspect of his Ultimate, Perfect Will.

For example -- Paul declares in Acts 17 his mission to preach Repentance unto all the Gentiles. God has issued a Moral Command to All that they are under orders to Repent.

Of course, the Bible is adamant throughout Scripture that a Spiritually-Dead Man will never Believe and Repent, without the prior Regeneration of the Holy Spirit. And so, by His Causative Will, God does cause some men to Repent; and by His permissive Will, He does permit others to remain in UnRepentance.

All of which attends to the accomplishment of His Perfect, Ultimate Will -- to Save the Elect, and Damn the Reprobate.

305 posted on 02/10/2004 12:21:44 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; xzins; Vernon; Corin Stormhands; Revelation 911; The Grammarian; ...
All of which attends to the accomplishment of His Perfect, Ultimate Will -- to Save the Elect, and Damn the Reprobate.

Yes because his ultimate perfect will is accomplished by saving those who come to him and damning those who die in their sins.

God is both perfectly holy and perfectly merciful. His holiness demands that no one who has the stain of sin on them can enter into the kingdom of heaven. This is reflected in Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death...

But God's mercy allows man an opportunity to escape death which also reflected in Rom 6:23 .....but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

God's perfect will according to his holiness is that no one can enter the kingdom of God who is sinful.

God's perfect will according to his mercy is that all will be saved (1 Tim 2:4) and that all will come to repentance 2 Pet 3:9.

His Ultimate will is accomplished by both his holiness and his mercy. That those who come to Christ will be saved (mercy) and those who refuse to come to him will be refused entrance into the presence of God and eternally damned (Holiness).

The Ulitimate Perfect will of God is accomplished through the permissive will of God. I.e., the Gospel is freely offered to all men and all men are given the ability and the opportunity to positively respond. Those who respond positively will receive God's mercy and those who respond negatively will receive the judgement of God's holiness.

Its simple really.

And who would have thought that you and I would actually agree on somethng? :-)

333 posted on 02/10/2004 6:34:37 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o* &AAGG)
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