[Vernon]

So, yes, Arminian "free will" belief is a work.

Huh? What am I missing, xzins? I thought your statement was brief, concise, and to the point.

[CCWoody]

***Huh? What am I missing, xzins? I thought your statement was brief, concise, and to the point.***

So did I about mine. Yet, you and xzins both ignored my citation and explaination of 2 Corinthians 4:4.

What am I missing?

Oh, yeah, the part where you Arminians can't explain away a Scripture so you just ignore it.

Ok, carry on!

Woody.

P.S. Perhaps now would be a good time for you Arminians to launch into yet another disguisting perversion of what we Calvinists believe just to try and yank our chains and divert attention away from the fact that you ignore or misrepresent scriptures.

Or, better yet, try and get my post yanked. That ought to make you feel better too.

Those bad old Calvinists.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Huh? What am I missing, xzins? I thought your statement was brief, concise, and to the point.

Any Action of Will, is necessarily a Work. Work = Action, Action = Work.

Biblical Belief does not involve an Action of Will; rather, Belief is created in the Elect by the monergistic action of the Spirit. Belief then results in Good Works, involving actions of Will; but is not itself a Willed Choice.