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I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives (Rant alert)
Aw, Shucks southern News and Links ^ | 29 January 2004 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:01 AM PST by robowombat

I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives

Okay, so George Bush has shown that his ‘compassionate conservatism’ is really socialism with conservative lip service. Bush has proven that he is a liberal with a thin veneer of faux conservatism covering the big-government, big-spending core of his true self. So what? As ‘good conservatives’ we should ‘remain focused’ and pull that Republican lever in the voting booth no matter what our lying eyes tell us? That is what establishment Republicans want their conservative base to do: “Sit down, shut up, and vote as we, the enlightened, anointed insiders tell you to.” Mind you, they don’t want you, the conservatives, the citizens that have remained true to the American Ideals of the founders, to think about how they are using you and are selling you down the river to special interest groups. The neo-cons that control the Republican Party today are hoping that rank and file conservatives will mindlessly vote for Bush, keeping their heads in the sand, until it’s too late and they’ve developed a new constituency to keep them in power. That new constituency will consist of newly married Log Cabin Republicans (gays), welfare dependents sucking up to the new government tit on the right, and amnestied illegals now eligible to vote (as well as more readily able to take your job because they’ll work for less, especially since you’re being taxed to pay their government supplementals that maintain their standard of living).

Establishment Republicans are coming out and trying to silence the uproar over Bush’s amnesty plan for illegals. The establishment types (neo-cons) are telling conservatives to keep it down and ‘look at the long view, the big picture.’ What crap! How many times do conservatives have to compromise their values, their beliefs, their standards? Why do we always have to give in but we don’t see anyone else giving in?

The latest in the string of ‘keep your mouths shut’ articles I’ve seen was on GOPUSA, by the president and CEO of that organization, Bobby Eberle. The title of his article was ‘Bush-Bashing Conservatives Should Focus on the Big Picture.’ I wrote Mr. Eberle to inform him that conservatives were keeping the big picture, that it was Bush who wasn’t. To me, Eberle’s article, along with all the other ‘hey conservatives, keep quiet about how Bush isn’t conservative’ articles are proof that conservatives and traditionalists are the embarrassing, if needed, stepchildren of the Republican Party. That in itself tells you the Republican Party is not conservative any more.

Given a laundry list of items, would any principled conservative vote for someone who: Continuously increases government spending, driving us deeper into debt; expands central government power over the states; undermines the Bill of Rights with bills such as the USA Patriot Act; cuts deals with other countries that undermine our economy via so-called free trade deals that only go one way (only out with our jobs and only in with products); wants to give millions of criminals (illegal aliens) a pass, thus not only blurring our boarder, but driving wages down and encouraging even more illegals to flood our markets in hopes of yet another amnesty a few years down the road? This is George Bush. He is no conservative. Why vote for a liberal in Republican clothing?

There was a political shift over the last twenty years in the South, as Southerners woke up to the fact that the Democratic Party had been taken over by socialists and no longer represented their interests, thus causing the huge migration to the ‘Party of Reagan.’ Southerners, and other conservatives and traditionalists, need to wake up to the fact that the Republican Party is morphing into merely an evil twin of the Democratic Party, and they need to migrate to another political entity. It could even happen this election year. The key is not which party conservatives and traditionalists are with, but that they stand by their ideals, stand on principle. The neo-cons have already shown that conservatives don’t have a seat at the table in the Republican Party, so why cast our lot with them?

Here’s something else to consider: Even if the House of Representatives kill this amnesty plan of Bush’s, and the establishment Republicans wink at conservatives and traditionalists saying, “Hey, we knew it wouldn’t pass, we just wanted to influence Hispanic votes by acting like we care,” don’t buy it. If the plan goes down to defeat this summer, once Bush gets re-elected in November you can bet it will be back with a vengeance, and the House and Senate will pass the amnesty plan. Nothing in the past 10 years, since the ‘Republican Revolution,’ shows me that the Republicans are conservative or mean anything they say concerning supporting conservative positions. No, there won’t be a socialist getting my vote this year, be he Democrat or be he Republican. As for me, I’ll be voting conservative, which means most likely the Constitution Party. I’m not throwing my vote away; Bush threw it away with everything he and the neo-cons have done for the last four years.

29 January 2004

Jeff Adams


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To: nopardons
There very well may be NO "real conservative" with a chance at winning in this election. However, using this election to teach the Republicans a lesson may make that a possibility in the subsequent one. Continuing to blindly pull the lever for Republicans, no matter what the cost to our liberty, will simply enable them to drift further to the left.
581 posted on 02/02/2004 8:49:39 PM PST by Abe Froman
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To: nopardons
There very well may be NO "real conservative" with a chance at winning in this election. However, using this election to teach the Republicans a lesson may make that a possibility in the subsequent one. Continuing to blindly pull the lever for Republicans, no matter what the cost to our liberty, will simply enable them to drift further to the left.
582 posted on 02/02/2004 8:49:41 PM PST by Abe Froman
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To: Abe Froman
You guys tried that in '92; remember? WE got 8 STINKING YEARS OF THE CLINTONS !

So, who's a " REAL " Conservative ? Tancredo ? Nope. Some yahoo ( Russ )LP candidate? Nope! The KNOW-NOTHING wannabe over at the Constitution Party ? Oh, give me a break!

Some see the glass as 1/2 full, others see it as 1/2 empty; you guys&gals not only see NO glass, but you avidly embrace cutting off your collective noses to spite your faces and want to do great harm, to boot,to this nation. Politics is the realm of the possible. What YOU desire is IMPOSSIBLE ! If FR had been around back then, you'd be part of a pack screaming about how Reagan was NOT a Conservative at all.

584 posted on 02/02/2004 8:59:19 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Mike the lurker
BRAVO !
585 posted on 02/02/2004 9:01:15 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
We tried what in 92? Who was the supposed "conservative" candidate? Ross Perot did not garner his votes on principled, constitutional conservatism. As I already explained, his rise appeared to be the result of populism and some vague dissatisfaction with American politics in general.

And so what if it doesn't work? Bush is so bad in the areas of constitutional respect and fiscal responsibility that it is hard to believe a Democrat would be any worse. I'm not going to pull the lever for them, but at this point I'm willing to give almost anyone else a shot at it. Bush has spent and usurped the Constitution at a rate the last Democratic president could only hope to.

If I take your view that politics is the realm of the possible, then the only possibility on the horizon is out-and-out tyranny no matter who's in charge.
586 posted on 02/02/2004 9:09:33 PM PST by Abe Froman
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To: nopardons
I had it with these chumps, We almost had a civil war in 2000, in part because the "Conservatives" bought the DNC line of

" Oh Bush had a DUI 20 years ago, therefore he's no good, so don't vote for him"

In Politics, & in War, for both are numbers games,
an unreliable ally, is no ally at all.

We will win without them. & create a center-right coalition that will govern for at least 50 years.

And all the while that is happening, the "conservatives" will just have to lump it :)
587 posted on 02/02/2004 9:09:48 PM PST by Mike the lurker (Let us stand in the gap together - I Stand with GWB)
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To: OWK
Greetings,

Don't have the time to go through 500+ replies. Send me a reply so I can get back up to speed.

As always

Tin

588 posted on 02/02/2004 9:15:23 PM PST by Tinman (Yankee by birth, Texan by choice)
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To: Mike the lurker
Right you are and I'm delighted to be standing shoulder to shoulder with you. :-)

These sunshine patriots aren't worth a plug nickel. THEY ARE THE ENEMY WITHING!

589 posted on 02/02/2004 9:21:37 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Mike the lurker
BINGO
590 posted on 02/02/2004 9:23:47 PM PST by MJY1288 (VOTE CONSTITUTION PARTY IF YOU WANT A DEMOCRAT)
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To: nopardons
Then be of good cheer, this is the last gasp of these folk;

they are sailing toward political irrelevance.

After 2004 they will not be a power to reckon with in anyones political calculus.

In the mean time revel in their vitriol & venom, for that is all they have left.
591 posted on 02/02/2004 9:26:06 PM PST by Mike the lurker (Let us stand in the gap together - I Stand with GWB)
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To: Abe Froman
Oh for crying out loud! So now President Bush has " usurped " the Constitution ? You're crazy !

No Dem could do worse ? You don't know what you're talking about and need someone tell you, step by step, just what's what !

Go back to DU, LP, or FU and play patty cake with your buddies. You don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about,don't understand politics at all, and live in some imaginary world of your own making.

592 posted on 02/02/2004 9:27:35 PM PST by nopardons
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To: OWK
OWK you are flying under a false flag. You are not a republican voter.
593 posted on 02/02/2004 9:28:32 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Mike the lurker
You mentioned 24/7, have you seen how long he has been on this thread today, ALL DAY, I posted from work around 9:00 this moring after I painted the first two cars of the day, came back a couple more times while in between the other 4 cars I had to paint, and he was still posting. After a 1 hour drive home and another two hours with my Wife, Daughter and two Grandsons, I check back in and he's still trashing the President. Good God, what hatred will do to some people
594 posted on 02/02/2004 9:30:04 PM PST by MJY1288 (VOTE CONSTITUTION PARTY IF YOU WANT A DEMOCRAT)
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To: Mike the lurker
They're drowning in a sea of their own bile and venom.

They are the few, the noisy, and the irrelevant, to be sure. But, they sure wastes bandwidth on FR and ignore Jim's directives. I smell lots of ZOTS coming down the pike. :-)

595 posted on 02/02/2004 9:30:58 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Protagoras

And we'll all pretend to care.

596 posted on 02/02/2004 9:32:05 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Abe Froman
If I take your view that politics is the realm of the possible, then the only possibility on the horizon is out-and-out tyranny no matter who's in charge.

You are entered into the "drama queen" nightly award contest. You just need to add treason and impeachment in there somewhere and you will be a shoo-in

597 posted on 02/02/2004 9:35:08 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: MJY1288
Yes, the mention of 24 X 7 is an allusion to the fact that many of these people are paid operatives.

To break a moles cover, you would do well to focus on one thing:

How do they earn their keep?

If someone is on FR all day posting through normal business hours, then they cannot be at work doing this, because their boss would fire them for not working.

So what next, are they self employed?

Same applies, if they are posting during the hours they are supposed to be doing whatever it is they are supposed to be doing, then they are either lying about being self employed, or they are defrauding their clients.

So what is next, are they retired?

Well ISPs cost money, computer equipment costs money, where is the money coming from?

If they cannot account for their source of income, it is a very good bet they are paid moles.

feel free to put your suspected mole to the question.

It's like I said " Who Pays Willie Green? ", & "Who Pays Arete? ".
598 posted on 02/02/2004 9:48:30 PM PST by Mike the lurker (Let us stand in the gap together - I Stand with GWB)
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To: Mike the lurker
You & everyone of your followers of Buchanan, keyes, Phillips, nader, tancredo, perot & etc, & etc, are Insufferable Assholes, & you stay on this board 24 by 7 because this is the only place you can say the things you do without getting your ass stomped righteously.

OWK stated a lot of things that were the truth. Instead of acting like this, why didn't you address them?

Others are just as capable of getting mean, foul and nasty. Are the rules and laws only created for a some? Why should you be able to break the rules while others are required to follow them?

599 posted on 02/02/2004 9:48:42 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
OWK stated a lot of things that were the truth. Instead of acting like this, why didn't you address them? ,

You don't know OWK do you?

600 posted on 02/02/2004 9:50:09 PM PST by Texasforever
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