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I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives (Rant alert)
Aw, Shucks southern News and Links ^ | 29 January 2004 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:01 AM PST by robowombat

I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives

Okay, so George Bush has shown that his ‘compassionate conservatism’ is really socialism with conservative lip service. Bush has proven that he is a liberal with a thin veneer of faux conservatism covering the big-government, big-spending core of his true self. So what? As ‘good conservatives’ we should ‘remain focused’ and pull that Republican lever in the voting booth no matter what our lying eyes tell us? That is what establishment Republicans want their conservative base to do: “Sit down, shut up, and vote as we, the enlightened, anointed insiders tell you to.” Mind you, they don’t want you, the conservatives, the citizens that have remained true to the American Ideals of the founders, to think about how they are using you and are selling you down the river to special interest groups. The neo-cons that control the Republican Party today are hoping that rank and file conservatives will mindlessly vote for Bush, keeping their heads in the sand, until it’s too late and they’ve developed a new constituency to keep them in power. That new constituency will consist of newly married Log Cabin Republicans (gays), welfare dependents sucking up to the new government tit on the right, and amnestied illegals now eligible to vote (as well as more readily able to take your job because they’ll work for less, especially since you’re being taxed to pay their government supplementals that maintain their standard of living).

Establishment Republicans are coming out and trying to silence the uproar over Bush’s amnesty plan for illegals. The establishment types (neo-cons) are telling conservatives to keep it down and ‘look at the long view, the big picture.’ What crap! How many times do conservatives have to compromise their values, their beliefs, their standards? Why do we always have to give in but we don’t see anyone else giving in?

The latest in the string of ‘keep your mouths shut’ articles I’ve seen was on GOPUSA, by the president and CEO of that organization, Bobby Eberle. The title of his article was ‘Bush-Bashing Conservatives Should Focus on the Big Picture.’ I wrote Mr. Eberle to inform him that conservatives were keeping the big picture, that it was Bush who wasn’t. To me, Eberle’s article, along with all the other ‘hey conservatives, keep quiet about how Bush isn’t conservative’ articles are proof that conservatives and traditionalists are the embarrassing, if needed, stepchildren of the Republican Party. That in itself tells you the Republican Party is not conservative any more.

Given a laundry list of items, would any principled conservative vote for someone who: Continuously increases government spending, driving us deeper into debt; expands central government power over the states; undermines the Bill of Rights with bills such as the USA Patriot Act; cuts deals with other countries that undermine our economy via so-called free trade deals that only go one way (only out with our jobs and only in with products); wants to give millions of criminals (illegal aliens) a pass, thus not only blurring our boarder, but driving wages down and encouraging even more illegals to flood our markets in hopes of yet another amnesty a few years down the road? This is George Bush. He is no conservative. Why vote for a liberal in Republican clothing?

There was a political shift over the last twenty years in the South, as Southerners woke up to the fact that the Democratic Party had been taken over by socialists and no longer represented their interests, thus causing the huge migration to the ‘Party of Reagan.’ Southerners, and other conservatives and traditionalists, need to wake up to the fact that the Republican Party is morphing into merely an evil twin of the Democratic Party, and they need to migrate to another political entity. It could even happen this election year. The key is not which party conservatives and traditionalists are with, but that they stand by their ideals, stand on principle. The neo-cons have already shown that conservatives don’t have a seat at the table in the Republican Party, so why cast our lot with them?

Here’s something else to consider: Even if the House of Representatives kill this amnesty plan of Bush’s, and the establishment Republicans wink at conservatives and traditionalists saying, “Hey, we knew it wouldn’t pass, we just wanted to influence Hispanic votes by acting like we care,” don’t buy it. If the plan goes down to defeat this summer, once Bush gets re-elected in November you can bet it will be back with a vengeance, and the House and Senate will pass the amnesty plan. Nothing in the past 10 years, since the ‘Republican Revolution,’ shows me that the Republicans are conservative or mean anything they say concerning supporting conservative positions. No, there won’t be a socialist getting my vote this year, be he Democrat or be he Republican. As for me, I’ll be voting conservative, which means most likely the Constitution Party. I’m not throwing my vote away; Bush threw it away with everything he and the neo-cons have done for the last four years.

29 January 2004

Jeff Adams


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To: Poohbah
Self important? You don't think that some 50,000 registered users here are all that significant? That we have no impact here? Do NOT denigrate this website again. Do so and I'll hit the abuse button even if no one else does.

You are confused on a great many things. No suprise considering your posting history and the politics you espouse.

And no. I firmly believe that in a free society you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard. Harsh language is no affront to me and as a former Marine I can cuss with the worst of 'em. You definately fit the bill to play the cat in the next round however.

461 posted on 02/02/2004 2:11:49 PM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Poohbah
Your remark--and the bile behind it--indicates more than mere curiousity animates your remarks.

My remark has nothing whatsoever to do with anything, other than your apparent inability to stand behind your own words.

I find it peculiar that you ping in others when you're getting spanked.

It bothers you to have others who disagree with you able to readily see your posts.

It bothers me not a wit...

Ping who you like.

It's simply funny to note that you don't have the stones to stand on your own two feet.

462 posted on 02/02/2004 2:12:35 PM PST by OWK
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To: Abe Froman
At least you're more honest than the other Disgruntled ones. I respect that. But anyone whose conservatism is so ivory-tower that they spout rhetoric about "foreign entanglements" even after 9/11 is living in a different reality than I. I cannot comprehend it. I understand it intellectually, but not in the places where life is really lived.
463 posted on 02/02/2004 2:13:48 PM PST by Warren_Piece (Wake up you Sheeple! The Steelers fan invaders are a bunch of Statists!)
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To: OWK
ROTFLOL! Rrriigghhttt.
464 posted on 02/02/2004 2:14:13 PM PST by meema
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To: Warren_Piece
Now, back to OUR question - Does it matter to you whether Bush or a Democrat wins the election?

Does it matter?

Matter how?

Are you asking about my preference?

465 posted on 02/02/2004 2:14:27 PM PST by OWK
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To: Tamsey
I draw the line at spitting on the Constitution. Not much of a stretch and my only real criteria. When Bush had "Constitutional questions" about the McCain-Feingold bill, he should have done his JOB and veto'ed the bill.

Childish rhetoric? Since when is sticking up for the very BASIS, the foundation of our REPUBLIC, "childish rhetoric"?

466 posted on 02/02/2004 2:15:07 PM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dead Corpse
Childish rhetoric? Since when is sticking up for the very BASIS, the foundation of our REPUBLIC, "childish rhetoric"?

Anything contrary to the koolaid set, is "childish rhetoric".

C'mon man... you just understand.

He has to be a flaming liberal lefty now, so he can be conservative later.

Just you wait... it'll happen.

At midnight...

The Conservative Great Pumpkin rises from the leftist pumpkin patch, and leaves presents for all the apologists.

Just you wait Charlie Brown.

467 posted on 02/02/2004 2:18:10 PM PST by OWK
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To: carton253; Abe Froman
I can see how my position must be absolutely inconceivable to a spaghetti-spined comprimiser such as you.

The sneering name-calling when they are losing a debate is what I find so vile about the left... it is particularly loathsome when we see it on the right. So many of these "purist" conservatives use the same debating tactics as the "purist" lefties... why IS that?

468 posted on 02/02/2004 2:18:16 PM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: Tamsey
The sneering name-calling when they are losing a debate is what I find so vile about the left...

It still hasn't dawned on you yet, that it is YOU who represent the left in this discussion.

Probably never will.

Oh well.

469 posted on 02/02/2004 2:20:05 PM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
Ah yes. The whole "mission creep" argument. First the House, then the Senate, then the Executive, now we need the Executive AGAIN so we can ge tthe judiciary.

Enough G*dd*mn excuses for not doing their job.

470 posted on 02/02/2004 2:20:52 PM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Peach
"don't come back here and complain if we have a Democrat president."

"A democrat who believes we should give immediate citizenship to illegal aliens."

Or a Republican who believes in amnesty for illegals as well, just a bit slower to citizenship (more palatable, I assume).

"A democrat who believes we should have socialized health care."

Or a Republican who takes incremental steps to get us there.

"A democrat who will make judicial appointments that are so liberal we can expect to see more judges who support the more perverse elements of our society."

Or a Republican who allows Democrats to filibuster and set the benchmarkfor judicial appointments, who lets good men like Estrada hang out to dry for two years, who throws Pickering's appointment as a bone to conservatives, and who, if was serious, would use the nuclear option to break the judicial impasse."A democrat who will permit women to abort their children as the make their way down the birth canal."Or a Republican who "goes out on a limb" (ha ha) ny signing Partial Birth Abortin bill, when a large majority of Americans and the Congress agree, while hoping and praying that he will not have to appoint a SCJustice till after the next elections to avoid controversy and another Souter."

and you forgot- A Democrat who supports CFR...ditto Republican; and a Democrat who elarges government programs, spending, the NEA, Department of Education...and ditto Republican.

So, the bottom line. do we want a Demo to take us to hell in a handbasket quickly, or do we want a Republican to draw our suufering out over a longer period? Or the third option, get the message to GWB to act like a conservative.

471 posted on 02/02/2004 2:20:52 PM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: OWK; Abe Froman
Not exactly. What I'd like to know is if you think the United States would be better off with Bush or a Democrat in the white house. Abe Froman answered honestly. Let's take your supposition at face value and say there's not a nickel's difference between Bush and Kerry on the domestic side. OK, that's a wash, so what else can we base a decision on? The president's other job is Commander in Chief. Are they the same in that area? If not, no one can say that it doesn't matter which one wins, because EVEN IF they governed the same on the domestic side, the US will take different paths in foreign policy, depending on which one we elect. Of course, foreign policy may not be important to you. I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from when you say there's no difference between them.
472 posted on 02/02/2004 2:23:27 PM PST by Warren_Piece (Wake up you Sheeple! The Steelers fan invaders are a bunch of Statists!)
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To: Poohbah
Yeah take the time to answer honestly and with integrity and you get a response showing a total lack of comprehension.

Unfortunately for you and your fellow moderates, Bush effectively betrays conservatism on a level equal to or greater than the Democrats, hence my lack of concern about a Bush loss.

When there's no difference (and in fact the (R) candidate has proven himself even worse in many areas) it becomes time to use a vote to send a message. It is us who has the long-term in view. The rightward drift of Republicans will never be stopped by continuting to vote for them. It will only be stopped when they stop winning, either temporarily with a wake-up call or permanently with a major shift to another conservative party.
473 posted on 02/02/2004 2:25:46 PM PST by Abe Froman
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To: OWK
Regarding Poohbah having to ping his buddies every time he comments...easy to figure, you've seen his kind in grade/high school...the Scott Farkus mentality: safety in numbers, tough when he has a pack around. I say, "misery loves company".
474 posted on 02/02/2004 2:26:03 PM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: Abe Froman
It is you people that are in the difficult position. You actually see some kind of difference between Bush and the Democrats.

Glad you could join us, Mr. Nader. I do hope you plan to be running again, it's lovely when the leftists split and are moronic enough to vote third party. It's really a riot because all of us here know that you guys spread out over there on the left get a lot more of what you want when you all vote together as a pack.

So please, Mr. Nader, run again and Pied Piper the less mathematically-inclined leftists off to a third party :-)

475 posted on 02/02/2004 2:26:48 PM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: OWK; hchutch; My2Cents; Tamsey; Cultural Jihad; redlipstick
Interesting.

You're obsessed with whether someone can stand behind their words, and you measure that by how many people they ping, decreasing it as numbers go up.

Never mind that there are more people looking at the post, making the words more visible.

The only time calling in more numbers makes one less brave is in a physical fight--which this is not. Your insistence on using a paradigm appropriate only to physical confrontation is an interesting form of leakage.

I find it peculiar that you ping in others when you're getting spanked.

And why does that upset you so?

It bothers me not a wit...

After your extremely negative reaction to my pinging others...that remark is rather amusing.

It's simply funny to note that you don't have the stones to stand on your own two feet.

I'm not the one complaining when my posts are shown to a wider audience.

You are. And you seem to equate not being seen with some sort of bravery.

476 posted on 02/02/2004 2:26:55 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: dmzTahoe; hchutch; Tamsey; MJY1288; Cultural Jihad; My2Cents
Regarding Poohbah having to ping his buddies every time he comments...easy to figure, you've seen his kind in grade/high school...the Scott Farkus mentality: safety in numbers, tough when he has a pack around. I say, "misery loves company".

Interesting. Another guy who views FR as some sort of physical altercation.

Again, this is interesting leakage.

477 posted on 02/02/2004 2:28:35 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Abe Froman; Poohbah
Hey Abe who do you think President Kerry is going to choose as head of baby executions on the supreme court?

I kind of hope that we as pure conservatives can help enable judicial activism that allows for gay marriages, as well as 3rd trimester abortions. Ohhhh the possibilities of sending that message. . .
478 posted on 02/02/2004 2:28:44 PM PST by Tempest
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To: robowombat
I'm tired of the whiney little idiots that are too myopic to commend President Bush on his many conservative acheivements.
479 posted on 02/02/2004 2:29:57 PM PST by Tempest
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To: Peach
Oh yeah, and where was "Conservative" GWB's mention of Pro-life in the SOTU Address? Was he ashamed to be pro-life, or ashamed to be conservative.

I'm sure he was going to mention it, but decided fighting steroid abuse was more important.
480 posted on 02/02/2004 2:30:56 PM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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