The Paradox of Unified Control–How Conservatives Can Win Without Bush

Vanity | 1/31/2004 | Self

[F16Fighter]

"When the third party Bush bashers start running off the very people I'm trying to attract to FR it's time to draw the line."

Don't know if I see it that way Jim -- You're seeing a living, breathing Free Republic. Honest people are being honest. Other people are understandably defensive about the President.

The President has clearly made a couple of bad choices, and we who voted for him are voicing our displeasure with THOSE issues. While Dubya has done a tremendous job in fighting the WoT, and is certainly better than a Rat, we sincerely hope he respects and heeds some opinions here at FR -- we feel we have a ship that has veered a bit off course and should be righted.

[tpaine]

PhiKapMom wrote:
Suppose you would prefer to have John "Boxtox" Kerry as President to make more than assault weapons illegal?


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THe same contrarian principle Curry proposed might apply..
It might be better to have a really outrageous gun grab take place, -- one we all can get up in arms about, then to continue this 'death by a thousand regulations' BS we are suffering now..
But who knows, -- perhaps such thoughts are now too radical for FR..

[F16Fighter]

"How much clearer can I make it? There have been people calling Bush a Nazi or a fascist. Or comparing him to Hitler or Stalin, etc."

That's pretty clear ;-)

"Accusing him of lying about the reasons for going to war or that he was "in on" 9/11, etc. Or that he was AWOL from his service, or that his family supports Nazis, or that he worships owls or is not a Christian, or that he is a traitor..."

Jim, 99% of the Freepers who are real conservatives wouldn't engage in this type of garbage. These are obvious trolls, and I certainly wouldn't tolerate that kinda crap...

Btw, Dubya "worships owls"?? LOL -- better call Drudge!

[PhiKapMom]

You would risk the lives of my children and the future of this Country because of wanting to teach us a lesson. FYI, we had 8 years of Clinton because some lamebrains wanted to teach us a lesson. I don't intend to go through anymore being taught a lesson. I didn't need a lesson in the first place.

Now you want a gun grab to take place to make people wake up. Well if they didn't wake up because of 9/11, what makes you think that would wake them up. Liberals don't want guns in people's hands and if Pres Bush would lose, you can bet we would lose one or the other of the House or Senate or both and your wonderful "Teaching Us a Lesson" would come back to haunt all of us.

You should be ashamed of yourself after 8 years of Clinton to even bring that up! Don't you care one bit about this Country and its people. You have your head buried in the sand so far with your one issue you cannot see the forest for the trees.

[tpaine]

I enjoy arguing constitutional issues.

Lots of people get 'insulted' when confronted on such issues. -- But imo, heated discussion is what a forum is all about.. - And lately, the mods have been doing a pretty good job on the overheating..

[tpaine]

Thanks for your well reasoned opinions..

[PhiKapMom]

The thought of Kerry as President is very much of a hot button for me after spending nine miserable months in MA in the 80's. The man and his policies scare me with his adoration of the UN and his hatred of all guns.

I am not in 100% agreement with all proposals of this President, but I do admire him for not doing Executive Orders to make them law. When a President does an Executive Order and it is posted, it takes a long time to overturn them if ever. I am not willing to take that chance on having a liberal from MA be President.

This election is too important to this Nation, to our members of the military who have already given their lives in the pursuit of terrorists, and to the citizens of this Country to turn the White House over to the extremely liberal Senator from MA -- Kerry!

Now you know where I am coming from on the reelection of President Bush and why I will spend every spare moment of my time to help get him reelected. Losing is not an option I even want to contemplate because it is too scarey!

[EternalVigilance]

Hear, hear!

[EternalVigilance]

The liberals have cheapened the care for our posterity that should be inherent in all we do in the political arena with their phony 'it's for the children' lying rhetoric...stealing their future while mouthing supposed concern for that very thing.

But we need to bring back the idea that we should be working night and day for our posterity.

I am in total agreement with you that the election of any Democrat at this stage of history is poison to that future.

I say all of that because I wanted to take this chance to inject something a little more substantial into this conversation.

This is a poem about my daughter Katie that I wrote a little while ago. My oldest son Matthew was married last summer, and now Kate is engaged. I also have a wonderful 9 year-old son Timothy, whose future concerns me greatly:


Sweet Child of Mine

Sweet child of mine
She is the apple of my eye
How she's grown, oh my
Seems like yesterday
She was only nine
Or was it two
I can't recall
I see her toddling up the hall
I stooped to keep her from a fall
But now she wears a shiny ring
And speaks of weddings in the spring
And married life and all it brings
Where did it go?
How it did fly
Her childhood so soon gone by
I love her still
My little girl
Remembering
Her bows and curls
A woman now
She is my friend
So may it be
Until the end

EV


It is these children who are going to have to reap the harvest of what we sow now and in the months and years ahead, and we should all keep that very much in focus.

Regards,
Tom

[Roscoe]

Unlike Stalin, Bush is a genuinely decent, moral, well-meaning human being.

Not good enough, Kevin. You stopped applauding too soon.

[lentulusgracchus]

You remember now.

No, bait, it doesn't work that way. You have to implant the memory first, before your victim will "remember" it. I'm one of the ones who won't hold still, so it won't work.

[beckysueb]

Isn't it possible, too, that if elected to a second term, Bush could move back to the right cause he knows he can't get elected again so its like what the heck, now I'll use my mandate.

[lentulusgracchus]

As I said earlier, this thread was in trouble from the start.

Texasforever the pyromaniac, burning brand in hand, announces "this forest was in trouble from the start!!"

LOL!

[Sabertooth]

I wouldn't vote for Bush this round for a million bucks, but I hope he beats his Democrat opponent - what does that make me?

I believe that makes you a practitioner of the old admonition:

"The primary is the place to cast your protest vote."

Regards

[Sabertooth]

Looks like the fumigating is coming along nicely.

That quote sounds so familiar.

Uday or Qusay?

[artisan001]

Your attempts to control what is said in political discussions are antithetical to the very concept of a "Free" republic.

You have proven to be nothing more than a partisan hack.
I cannot remain a member of your site in good conscience.

Kindly remove my account.

[Jim Robinson]

Done.

[Sabertooth]

at least I haven't been to other sites trashing the people on THIS site

No, but you've been on this site trashing people on this site, which I'm sure you'll explain, makes a world of ethical difference,

[lentulusgracchus]

This election is not a primary.

So, since you raised the question, why aren't we having a primary, as a necessary caucus on the wisdom or unwisdom of Bush's policies on e.g. immigration and NAFTA?

Why is it a given that incumbent presidents always get a pass when they bid for a second term......unless his name is Jimmy Carter?

Why is it to the long-term advantage of the GOP to treat the conservatives like laying hens and cut their beaks off, while rolling out the Persian carpets for Log Cabins and people who voted to expand Social Security?

Why shouldn't a president have to go back and face his base in a primary, so that we can be satisfied that he intends to "dance with the one what brung him"? Even if the alternative were merely "no confidence" or "open seat"? A president who ran strongly to the Left could thus be unseated during primary season, and the Party freed up to find a new candidate in convention.

Imagine that. Picking a nominee at the convention -- what a thought!

[Sabertooth]

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To: Kevin Curry

Unlike Stalin, Bush is a genuinely decent, moral, well-meaning human being.

Not good enough, Kevin. You stopped applauding too soon.

1,450 posted on 02/02/2004 1:03:03 AM PST by Roscoe

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That's a nice, succinct coda, Roscoe.

While I disagree with Kevin's contention that we need to sink the ship to save it; that it would advance conservatism to have a Democrat President, rather than President Bush, I do concur with his observations of some of the chattering, lock-step shrillness found in a number of the President's erstwhile supporters.

I don't believe Presidents are well-served by yes-men or yes-forums.

Sorry to see you've been terminated, Kevin.

Regards