Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Bush-Bashing Conservatives Should Focus on the Big Picture
GOPUSA.com ^ | Januray.26,2004 | Bobby Eberle

Posted on 01/26/2004 1:47:29 PM PST by Reagan Man

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 141-160161-180181-200 ... 661 next last
To: mhking
My country, right or wrong...

Great post and straight forward. This guestworker program is a complete circumvention of citizenship, and as such, destroys its value.

It is a most deadly poison, hidden amongst enough of a conservative agenda to make a argumentative case that George Bush is a conservative. But its still an ounce of poison, aimed directly at our sovreignty and what little is left of the integrity of our borderes. George Bush is a globalist.
161 posted on 01/26/2004 6:40:45 PM PST by Thisiswhoweare
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 111 | View Replies]

To: Beelzebubba
I think you have to assess that phrase in the light it was being set up by the author -- that is, by definition, GOP=Conservative and Democrat=Liberal -- ergo party electoral success is IDENTICAL to ideological success because poltical parties would be ideologically pure for the sake of the author's argument.

I think.

162 posted on 01/26/2004 6:41:02 PM PST by skip2myloo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 157 | View Replies]

To: All
Mark my words. If Bush loses in November, all the nitwits here who are whining about him now will spend the next four years whining how they wish Bush had won and he didn't have a 'Rat for President.
163 posted on 01/26/2004 6:42:26 PM PST by COEXERJ145
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 162 | View Replies]

To: My2Cents
The way he led this nation with courage and moral clarity after 9/11 is reason enough to support him.

As I said before, and will say again, the War on Terror is a big part of fortifying our national security.

Giving the illegal aliens the boot, and sealing our borders against illegals, is the other part.

That he would do so well on the first, only to surrender to the aliens on the second, is unacceptable.

I don't care if it's Kerry or Edwards, or even Ralph Nader (by some strange twist of fate) landed in the White House.

If Bush is fired because of this proposal, our Congress-critters will get a very clear, very threatening message: do what we want, or you're NEXT.
With such a clear message, Congress will not dare to try this again...

164 posted on 01/26/2004 6:42:49 PM PST by Capitalist Eric (To be a liberal, one must be mentally deranged, or ignorant of reality.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: Cubs Fan
...the problem is that he is either so insecure about his second term that he is willing to sell out conservatism whenever he believes it is expedient to do so...

Just as the Democraps do whatever they want to black voters and still get 90% of their votes, Dubya believes he can do the same and still get conservative votes. Where else are they going to go? They'll hold their noses and vote for him, right? Many on this forum suggest we do just that.

165 posted on 01/26/2004 6:47:49 PM PST by RightWinger
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: My2Cents
The same old naysaying disgruntled "conservatives" who say they'll abandon Bush this year didn't vote for him in 2000 either.

I voted for him in 2000.

If he continues to push the alien-amnesty idea, I'll vote for everything except the presidential ticket...

166 posted on 01/26/2004 6:47:54 PM PST by Capitalist Eric (To be a liberal, one must be mentally deranged, or ignorant of reality.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 98 | View Replies]

To: skip2myloo
And let me add, that YOUR hope that constituional purity would be the goal of ANY political party is subject to how is constitutional purity defined ??

Five SC Justices said CFR was constitutional -- I say they're idiots and ought to be impeached.

What was it one justice said, Scalia perhaps, 'The constitution is not a living document, it is an enduring document.'

One man's truth is another man's dogma.

When you get right down to it, that's why this election is so important. Bush is appointing the right folks, he can't get them confirmed.

We need to help him get at least 60 loyal folks in the Senate.

If Kerry/Dean/Edwards/Clark/Rodham get to the Whitehouse, it is a sure thing we'll get the WRONG kind of justices and judges.

167 posted on 01/26/2004 6:49:30 PM PST by skip2myloo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 162 | View Replies]

To: Capitalist Eric
Eric -- politicians just DO NOT think that way. Sorry.
168 posted on 01/26/2004 6:52:03 PM PST by skip2myloo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 164 | View Replies]

To: My2Cents
The same old naysaying disgruntled "conservatives" who say they'll abandon Bush this year didn't vote for him in 2000 either.

I gave his campaign hundreds of dollars and voted for him in 2000 but he turned out to be a moderate instead of the conservative I had hoped for.

169 posted on 01/26/2004 6:53:42 PM PST by RightWinger
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 166 | View Replies]

To: My2Cents
"Increases in the rate of growth of non-defense, discretionary spending in the current Bush administration are double that of the Clinton administration."

Ain't spent dime one on this one yet.

Seen you around here lots, no disrespect intended. But I didn't elect Republicans in order to get massive new entitlements. The author failing to directly mention one of two or three key burrs in the conservative saddle is not an oversight, it is sandbagging.

$2,000,000,000,000.00 is a lot of zeroes.

170 posted on 01/26/2004 6:59:50 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Leave Pat, Leave!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 91 | View Replies]

To: RightWinger
Look, here's some political reality for you -- people who are ideological pure conservatives (more or less), only comprise about 30-35% of the electorate (holds true for liberals too).

Bush can't win, no conservative can win with only 35% of the vote in their pocket.

So, he's gotta go to the middle, to get more than 50% of the vote. He went a little too far -- he'll come back. They're already thinking hard about it -- re-read Eberle's article.

Morris calls it triangulation -- whatever, its a political fact of life.

Hell, Bush isn't TRYING to offend anybody, he's playing a calculated strategy to win as many votes as he can.

In '00, the country was sick of Clinton and his whole team, yet Gore still WON the popular election by half a million votes.

Thank God for the narrowest of victories in Florida, and a 5-4 Supreme Court for salvation.

Look at the map, there's STILL a $j*tload of Blue states out there.

Bush has GOT to mine the middle for all the votes he can get, and now your making him worry if he can count on you ??

171 posted on 01/26/2004 7:04:08 PM PST by skip2myloo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 165 | View Replies]

To: PhiKapMom
Getting really tired of people and threatening not to vote for Pres Bush because he is not 100% of what they want in a President.

He's only about 25% of what I wanted... His only successes, IMO, are the War on Terrorism, and reducing taxes.

But those two "atta-boys," are erased by CFR, Prescription-Drug "Bill o' Rights," pork-barrel spending that Bubba Clinton could only dream of, $15BILLION to Africa (how much does he think condoms really cost, anyway?), and then- the absolute worst-case example of idiocy I would ever have guessed from a Republican- the alien-amnesty proposal...

The old joke goes, "one 'awe-sh_t' wipes out a lot of 'atta-boys.'" We've got- count 'em- two atta-boys, and an easy five "awe, sh_t" examples....

Bush isn't 100% of what I wanted, not even 50%...
Maybe, on a good day.......? 25%... Certainly no more than that...

172 posted on 01/26/2004 7:10:15 PM PST by Capitalist Eric (To be a liberal, one must be mentally deranged, or ignorant of reality.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 150 | View Replies]

To: skip2myloo
Eric -- politicians just DO NOT think that way.

Normally, I would agree with your assessment.

But these are not normal times. W. has only done one thing really different in the past month, that could possibly have an effect on his polls and chances for re-election: the alien-amnesty proposal.

Since he started flogging this dead (and decaying, putrescent) horse, his polling numbers are going into the toilet at supersonic speeds...

The congress-critters- knowing full-well that 83% of Americans see this for the bovine excrement it is, are barely discussing it (there are, of course, a few Kool-aide swilling RINO exceptions)... Because they know that there is a new rail of politics. Social Security has always been the third rail, but immigration???

Like a lightening-bolt blasting a tree you're standing under, the message can't help but be understood- you do this (alien amnesty), and you're toast.

They'll get the message, even if they don't want to...

173 posted on 01/26/2004 7:22:03 PM PST by Capitalist Eric (To be a liberal, one must be mentally deranged, or ignorant of reality.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 168 | View Replies]

To: Capitalist Eric
On your scale, where do you think Dean/Kerry/Clark/Edwards/Rodham would rank ??

And how well do you think any of them would handle the war on terror ??

They've all said they're gonna repeal the tax cuts AND RAISE taxes on working class Americans (actually THEY said, on the rich -- to me working class Americans are the 50% who are paying 95% of the taxes - to the Democrats, these are rich people.)

The Democrats are trying to get the other 50% to vote for them, I call them beneficiaries.

VOTE DEOMCRAT - IT BEATS WORKING

174 posted on 01/26/2004 7:27:30 PM PST by skip2myloo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 172 | View Replies]

To: skip2myloo
On your scale, where do you think Dean/Kerry/Clark/Edwards/Rodham would rank ??

It doesn't MATTER.

Bush is no less destructive to the USA, at this point, then any of the other liberal/leftist/socialist/communist candidates.

He is successful at only one facet of national security, yet is proposing to destroy any semblance of sovereignty, and walking away from any facade of national security...

There have been plenty of "awe, sh_t" moments with W., and I would still have happily voted for him. But THIS???

No. To be victorious in the War on Terror, only to hand our country over to Mexico...?

This is UNACCEPTABLE.

His idea will have long-term, disastrous effects on this country, as anybody with a decent understanding of economics will explain to you.

Loyalty is earned. He has lost my support, and can only get it back by promising to ENFORCE the immigration laws on the books.

If he doesn't make this promise??? Then he'll rot in hell before he gets MY vote...

175 posted on 01/26/2004 7:40:57 PM PST by Capitalist Eric (To be a liberal, one must be mentally deranged, or ignorant of reality.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 174 | View Replies]

To: Capitalist Eric
I feel just as strongly about amnesty as you do -- but, we just can't let ourselves become single-issue voters, at least not over this single issue.

Look, there's no question he's trying to garner some of the Latino vote -- this thing still has to get batted around in congress -- let's watch it play for awhile.

Truthfully, a well-run, well-documented guest worker program would be a benefit.

But there's gonna have to be some amendments, with teeth, to his proposal, CLOSE the border, only documented folks can come through, no AMNESTY for those who are here illegally, they either go home and come back legally, or they plead guilty and pay a fine for breaking our laws, a baby born to guest workers does not become an automatic citizen.

But, we still gotta compare Bush to the Dems -- ALL of them would've just granted another Reagan amnesty, before the election.

Remember Clinton rushing to swear in half a million new immigrants before the '00 election so they could vote for Gore.

Yes, Dubya erred -- but the Dems would've been (and will be if they win) even worse !!

176 posted on 01/26/2004 7:41:17 PM PST by skip2myloo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 173 | View Replies]

To: Capitalist Eric
I'm lockstep with you that it is essential to enforce our immigration laws, frankly there has been no effort to do that since Reagan granted amnesty -- and there wasn't much of an effort before that. Its absolutely wrong NOT to do so.

BUT

It doesn't MATTER.

Bush is no less destructive to the USA, at this point, then any of the other liberal/leftist/socialist/communist candidates.

I just can't see where you're coming from on this one -- we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

177 posted on 01/26/2004 7:47:26 PM PST by skip2myloo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 175 | View Replies]

To: Reagan Man
Bump for later.
178 posted on 01/26/2004 7:48:55 PM PST by harpo11
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: harpo11
Me too - I gotta get some sleep.
179 posted on 01/26/2004 7:53:11 PM PST by skip2myloo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 178 | View Replies]

To: skip2myloo
I feel just as strongly about amnesty as you do -- but, we just can't let ourselves become single-issue voters, at least not over this single issue.

So - how many issues qualifies as reason enough to vote for someone else?

180 posted on 01/26/2004 7:56:02 PM PST by TheBattman (Miserable failure = http://www.michaelmoore.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 176 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 141-160161-180181-200 ... 661 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson