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To: sinkspur
"...Or will you, as I suspect, find some other reason to vote against him?.."

And there you have it, in a nutshell. I suspect exactly the same thing. The Bush haters will never change, they always think that a president rules by decree, everything is his fault, and that he can govern by only giving his own base what they demand. Bush, if you all will remember, said during his campaign that he would be president of ALL the people, and stressed compassionate conservatism. In balance, his good far outweighs his bad, and even though I disagree with some of the legislation he's signed, he mostly believes domestic policy should be ruled by congress. Want a more conservative agenda? Complain to your representatives and senators. Want a more liberal agenda? Vote libertarian, independent, etc., and watch the country go to hell. You Bush bashers have completely forgotten the Clinton years, or you wouldn't be so quick to run away from the Republican Party. The reason we don't have a president who's conservative enough to suit you, is because that kind of candidate is totally unelectable, and if by some miracle did get in office, would never get a bill through congress. Stop being so simple minded.
215 posted on 01/13/2004 8:59:31 AM PST by jim35
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To: jim35; sinkspur
To: Texasforever; Howlin
Results of a poll conducted by Fox News, dated January 9, 2004, all people polled AFTER Bush's immigration proposal speech.

8. Later this month President Bush will give his State of the Union Address to the nation. What topic are you most interested in hearing the president talk about during his speech? (OPEN ENDED)

The economy/jobs 35%
Iraq 17
Terrorism 10
Health Care 4
Medicare/
prescription Drugs
4
Education 3
Immigration/
illegal aliens
2
Social Security 2
Taxes 2
Budget Deficit 1
Other 5
None 6
Not sure 9

84 posted on 01/12/2004 11:55:20 PM EST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)

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To: Texasforever
What's funny about these people is their insistence on calling themselves "the base".

Last I checked, the base of anything could not possibly be it's narrowest point.
80 posted on 01/12/2004 11:49:58 PM EST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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233 posted on 01/13/2004 9:07:05 AM PST by Howlin
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To: jim35
Illegal immigration is the ONE subject that gets my dander up. If our President would ask for a budget that would remove ALL the illegals, you would rarely see me posting anything derogatory about him or his administration.

Continued enforcement avoidance of our immigration laws will not promote the kind of America I swore to protect when I enlisted in the US Navy.

You can call me a Bush hater because I will not vote for him again unless he corrects this situation BEFORE the next election. Well, you and I know he doesn't time, buts that's because he wasted too much alreadly. Not my fault, is it?

He can take his compassionate conservatism back to Texas. I want a President who will promote law enforcement by everyone on our soil.

__________________________________________

"According to a RoperASW poll from last year, 83 percent of Americans support mandatory detention and forfeiture of property for illegal immigrants, followed by deportation."

I'm one of the 83%.

If the President Bush or Tom Ridge would announce that in six months they will be paying a $50 per head bounty for each illegal alien on American soil there would be a mad rush for the borders.

A policeman in a car costs the average city about $200 an hour. Helicopters cost at least $2000 an hour with the ground crews. What is the full cost of a teacher per hour? $140.00 or there about.

If we could get illegal aliens to turn each other in, just the ones trying to slip through the net, (I know thousands would attempt it) we would save billions in law enforcement, welfare programs, unemployment, medical care, job training and schools the first year.

Do all this under Executive Order and tell the Courts to back off. This is national security!

Any employer who has employed an illegal alien more than five months from the announcement date will be fined $5000 per employee. One month later enforcement begins. This will give employers 5 months to shed the illegals and hire legally papered actual American citizens.

Then on the announced date, start in a state such as Oklahoma. Well centered, not overly populated and clean the state out. This would give Homeland, INS and Border Patrol time to install their co-agents in various court houses around the country to verify a persons paperwork, i.e.. birth certificates, hospital records, etc.

Go state to state from the epicenter sweeping out the criminals who have successfully avoided suspicion. They already had 5 months to get out, hanging around to test the system carries a SEVERE penalty. They won't be able to say they weren't warned.

Divide a state into quadrants depending on population per square mile., First arrest those whose names were turn in for the bounty. Then others suspected by local law agencies. When arrests slow down, open an adjoining quadrant.

Get caught after the selected dated and the result would be every foreign national who is not in America legally would forfeit all their belongings (houses, cars, bank accounts, etc.) and be deported within 24 hours. These forfeited belongings would then be given to local churches for distribution to the needy in that community. Another cost saver!

This enforcement would apply to illegals from every country in the world, not just Mexico.

Imagine the number of Chinese who would be taking the ship home with everything in the house, new cars, you name it would be on those ships. The thousands of Canadians who decided the USA was better than Canada would be again headed North.

How many schools could be closed? How many hospitals and state paid housing tracts? How many welfare offices? How many planned jail enlargements could be stopped for lack of need?

How many state and federal employees would find out that they have the time to actually give good service to their American customers?

Oh yes, it would be an economic shocker in the amount of taxes that could be reduced or used to actually improve something needed for American citizens, instead of illegal foreigners.

Want an approximate number of the population drop? Try 50 million+ with the majority over 30 years of age, having been illegal residents of America for over ten years.

Just imagine the frantic squealing from our politicians thinking of the lost votes and contributions. That would be a sideshow worth watching!

Scan the whole page for good reading!
Conservative Debate Handbook

247 posted on 01/13/2004 9:15:58 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: jim35
You Bush bashers have completely forgotten the Clinton years, or you wouldn't be so quick to run away from the Republican Party.

Just because Bush is better than Clinton is not a good enough reason to keep him. Liberal is liberal. Bush is liberal. I don't vote for liberals. I'm a conservative. I have already listed some of his liberal policies and statements - I see you had no response. Some people will blindly follow the Republican party right into the abyss, because they are voting for the wrong reaons. Nothing is more important than moral principle.

262 posted on 01/13/2004 9:24:53 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: jim35
The reason we don't have a president who's conservative enough to suit you, is because that kind of candidate is totally unelectable

If moving to the left is making Bush so much more electable, then why are the Bushbots complaining? You have nothing to worry about if us conservatives decide not to vote for him. He will be picking up so many new liberal votes that it won't matter.

So just relax, let us rant.

Don't worry yourself over the fact that these threads grow so long, and there are clearly a lot of angry conservatives about.

740 posted on 01/13/2004 3:10:22 PM PST by e_engineer
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