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To: garandgal
thank you for making my point.

LOL you wouldn't know a point if you sat on it. There has NEVER been a business in history that could survive as a profit making enterprise that cared more about its workers than its profit. I can't believe that anyone, especially a supposed conservative, would believe in such fairy tales.

1,066 posted on 01/14/2004 12:46:52 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
There has NEVER been a business in history that could survive as a profit making enterprise that cared more about its workers than its profit.

You need to make your final descent into hell with that sentiment branded on your forehead. That's a real keeper. So's hell.

Let's see, you post an artificial opposition of two unrelated ideas and demand everyone sign off on it. To-wit:

a. Businesses need profits to survive. Not a controversy.
b. I'm not sure what to make of the second reference you've spun in there with gongoristic incomprehensibility -- are you arguing that businesses need to avoid caring about their workers at all? Are you in favor of sending them home hurt, for example, without medical attention, and never mind workers' comp or OSHA rules or any of that weenie stuff that cuts into your profits? Is that where you're coming from? Or are you simply arguing that Fezziwig couldn't cut it because he treated his workers decently and kindly, and that however regrettably, Scrooge and Marley had the better, actually the correct, business model for HR? What's your model?

How hard would you push your employees if there were no employment laws on the books and you could do whatever you wanted? What would your ideal relationship be? Ownership outright? Would you want clear title to each of your workers? Or would you settle for a rental contract with whoever owned them?

Just wondering.

And if you don't like the insinuation, well, I did that deliberately -- to show you what your constant prating about "racism" sounds like. You constantly tell us that anyone who opposes borders wide open to Malthusian masses of would-be workers is a racist. Well, pal, if all those people are from foreign countries and more than likely of other races as you assume they are, and you're the guy who wants to use them to screw wages down to zero, then who's the racist? The people who want them to stay at home and build their own countries, or you, who want them to come over here so you can use the "iron law of wages" to take advantage of them?

1,082 posted on 01/14/2004 1:11:23 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Texasforever
There has NEVER been a business in history that could survive as a profit making enterprise that cared more about its workers than its profit.

In the days when you could find a smart CEO such as Henry Ford, there was more of that --- he went against the grain, paid his workers what was considered to be very excellent pay for those days --- so they could afford to buy the product they made. Henry Ford invented the assembly line in order to bring about efficiency. Most companies today fail because the CEO's are not especially wise or brilliant men. They don't know how to run a company, they don't know how to make for efficiency, they believe adding a thousand inefficient but cheap workers is the key --- and the prices today are very high.

1,107 posted on 01/14/2004 6:24:59 AM PST by FITZ
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