Posted on 01/13/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by JustPiper
Glad to hear that. Honestly. Are you a very happy person? If so, then you might show it at some point. GWB is a great Christian brother of yours (you said he wasn't) and has said Jesus Christ, as Son of God, is his personal Lord and Savior. George Washington never once publicly said that that I've ever seen (a lot of talk about "the Almighty", etc., but nothing about Christ being his personal Lord and Savior). I'd love to be proven wrong though. Don't think I ever will be on this though.
Again, you said that Washington said he wasn't a Christian. Provide the proof or retract your assertion. The evidence is quite overwhelming for Washington that he was a genuine Christian as I pointed out. He did not need to explicitly state Jesus was God. He was not a preacher. He simply lived the life, walked the walk, and talked the talk, and all who knew him closely said he was a Christian. That is alot of evidence, and there is no basis for you to doubt his Christianity whatsoever.
Provide evidence for your assertion or retract it. This is my last request.
By admission, I simply mean he never once claimed Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior. On the other hand, he actually used ambiguous terms in describing God (i.e. "the Almighty") and praised the good morals of the Christian religion but nothing more. There's no evidence to support that George Washington claimed that Jesus Christ was his personal Lord and Savior as you have claimed.
Anyone can SAY they are a Christian. That doesn't making one a Christian any more than going to McDonald's makes one a hamburger. Some of Bush's actions and words are not consistent with his professed faith in Christ. He praised a gay church (oops), and he said that Muslims and Christians worship the same God (oops!). Any excuses for that?
I am very unhappy with the governance of this nation, and the moral freefall into total depravity on every social and government level. I make no bones about it.
Like I say, we have radically differing interpretations of what a Christian is.
I'll say, since I am not willing to spend the time to find better quotes, George Washington did not explicitly say (that I can find at this time) that he did not believe Jesus Christ was God, his Lord and Savior. His never having made this claim publicly, I don't see why I would believe that he believed it to be the case though. Piety is nice. It's not Christianity though. Oh, and others who claim certain people are "Christians" often have very loose definitions of this term as well. This is nothing new.
More dancing and squirming. An admission is the act of admitting or stating something. So to say that Washington was "not a Christian by his own admission" is to say that Washington explicitly said he was not a Christian.
Yes, but most Christians then went on to talk about Jesus Christ as their personal Savior well. Washington didn't.
That's true. I'll retract that. No reason to believe Washington was a Christian though. He never stated he was and never stated he wasn't.
Would you describe yourself as a very joyful, contented person in general?
We do? What is your interpretation of what a Christian is?
Point out just one thing in Washington's life or words that is INCONSISTENT with true Christian faith. You won't find one thing pal. He was a paragon of Christian virtue - more than any other American who ever lived in IMHO.
It's quite obvious that Bush isn't able to live by the virtuous standards that Washington did! I've already pointed out some egregious anti-christian statements by GWB. What say you?
Proclaiming Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. GW didn't. GWB does.
Do you believe GWB has been saved by Jesus Christ? That's what a Christian is, fwiw.
A human being who has been eternally saved by Jesus Christ.
You have received all of the personal information you are going to get. Just stick to my questions and comments please. I want to hear your excuses for Bush's statements. I want you to provide a quote or anything from the life of Washington that would provide evidence he was not a Christian.
And how does that differ from mine? You are making contradictory statements.
My evidence is that he never once said he was one. I have never known someone who believes Jesus Christ is their personal Savior who, no matter how shy, was not pretty open about this ultimately. Washington never even hinted that he believed Christ was his personal Savior, and for the quotes of his family saying that he was "a Christian" (I've heard this said numerous times about non-Christians), there are several from his contemporaries saying he wasn't.
I see, so you can't produce anything from Washington that is inconsistent with the Christian faith? I did produce some things from Bush. You have said nothing about those. I want to hear your excuses for Bush equating Allah with Jesus Christ. Well?
Again, read James - "saying" you have faith proves nothing since we can't tell if Bush's faith is genuine or not - only God can. We can only see if he walks the walk (faith without works is dead). Washington walked the walk - no question about it.
There are many things Bush has done that make me wonder. his support for affirmative action (Univ. of MI), his sucking up to China at the expense of Taiwan and the people there who want FREEDOM. I thought Bush was a champion of Freedom? You have some 'splainin' to do about your hero.
That's fine. You don't have to answer here, ex. You clearly do not seem to be too happy though. I'm sorry. I don't know why any person eternally saved by Christ would not be extremely happy, ultimately.
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