Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan

WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

[sfRummygirl]

I didn't like his aids comment, and I hate Slobodon Milosevic.
You appear to be really simple-minded. Still wondering how you made that 'poll' in your tag line.
Also. if you are against all the things I stated......ten commandments, Terri's life, closing the borders to illegals,...can you explain to me what makes you a conservative? I'm curious.

[Texas_Dawg]

I'm not against any of those things, fwiw.

I'm also a Christian though who realizes that we have the most outspokenly Christian President in US history and I don't usually sit around listening to non-Christians scream at people about how much other people suck and how everyone needs to be much angrier and savage.

Sorry, I don't know where in the Bible I've been given that "right". Feel free to show me though if you know a passage I'm missing.

[sfRummygirl]

"Right" for what?

[exmarine]

There is no need for a mass roundup. We simply prosecute any employer that hires an illegal alien. Of course, I realize the U.S. government is into selective enforcement of laws (which is a form of tyranny since we are a nation of laws not men who can enforce any law they want or don't want), so this won't happen. But it is a solution, no doubt, and it is a solution that would be relatively easy to enforce - we know who the employers are for the most part. Please don't come back with an economic consequences argument - it's the law. The law is blind, remember?

[sfRummygirl]

So, you feel very protective about Bush, becasue he's Christian, and you believe other true Christians shouldn't critisize him. Is that It?

[exmarine]

I'm also a Christian though who realizes that we have the most outspokenly Christian President in US history and I don't usually sit around listening to non-Christians scream at people about how much other people suck and how everyone needs to be much angrier and savage.

George Washington, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, etc. were far more Christian in their statements and policies than Mr. Bush. None of these men would ever praise a gay church or equate Allah with Jesus Christ.

[sfRummygirl]

What denomination Christian are you, anyway?

[sfRummygirl]

Yeah, I'm confused as to what Christian wouldn't be upset by the President completely ignoring the removal of the ten commandments.
But see, Tex Dawg was one of the people on that thread too, saying all the people who were praying and having vigils were 'grandstanding'.
Tex, are you a mormon, by any chance?

[exmarine]

we have a lot in common. I still haven't forgotten Bush saying NOTHING about losing the ten commandments. NOTHING.

Exactly right. He never criticizes SCOTUS decisions that I have seen. As Rome burns and the Free Exercise Clause of the U.S. Constitution is being stomped into the dirt, Bush fiddles.

[Modernman]

We simply prosecute any employer that hires an illegal alien.

That's been my favourite approach all along. Look at the war on drugs- we've tried to stop drugs by targeting the supply, and that's worked smashingly, hasn't it? Trying to target the supply of illegals is just as ineffective.

Now, if the average employer (including white middle-class America, who hire illegal nannies and maids) knew they were going to be hit with a $10,000 fine for every illegal they employ, the economics of hiring illegals would change overnight. Cut off the demand, and the supply goes away.

You do that, you'll start to see what you're now seeing in Muslim neighborhoods in the US- a gradual attrition of the population as it becomes too much of a hassle to remain here.

[exmarine]

Yeah, I'm confused as to what Christian wouldn't be upset by the President completely ignoring the removal of the ten commandments. But see, Tex Dawg was one of the people on that thread too, saying all the people who were praying and having vigils were 'grandstanding'. Tex, are you a mormon, by any chance?

He certainly had his chance in the Roy Moore case, but he said nothing. Meanwhile, Moore's colleagues all turned on him. I hope they all reap alot of political capital from their betrayal of Moore and the 1st Amendment (Prior, et al). In fact, I didn't hear the GOP say much when the courts stepped on their partial birth abortion ban. The GOP is a bunch of spineless jellyfish - no guts, no fight, no sacrifice, no loyalty to principle. Our founders pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor for their principles. Today's politicans are not cut from the same mold - that is for sure. They are fickle, weak, have no real courage or conviction.

[exmarine]

Good. You and I found something to agree on.

[sfRummygirl]

I think Tex is either one of those 70's kids who was raised on that touchy-feely Christianity, or a mormon. He has that 'don't cause any emotional outburst' kinda thing going on.

[sfRummygirl]

I'm not very into the Kumbayya crowd. Their passive aggressive is just as emotional, but they think they are above others with it. Weird. It's almost like they had some new age hindu stuff thrown at them as kids.

[exmarine]

I voted for George Bush and the GOP ticket last election. But the GOP has left me, I didn't leave them. Bush and the rest of the GOP have become liberal almost across the board - expansion of govt. at a clip that democrats should envy, increasing embrace of the gay rights movement by more and more Republicans, violation of the Constitution with the Patriot Act and CFR bill, their wimpy buddy-buddy attitude towards the EVIL democratic party (yes, EVIL), their refusal to control our borders, their globalist tendencies (engendered in neo-con philosophy and Bush's "citizens of the world" remarks), and disgusting political correctness in a myriad of statements and actions, their endorsement of pro-abortion, pro-gay rights candidates like AHH-NOLD, etc. etc. Frankly, the difference between the GOP and the donkey party is in degree, not substance. The GOP left me. I didn't change, the GOP changed. That is irrefutable.

[Modernman]

I'm not very into the Kumbayya crowd.

Hope you're not referring to me with that line.

[Texas_Dawg]

So, you feel very protective about Bush, becasue he's Christian, and you believe other true Christians shouldn't critisize him. Is that It?

Not at all. I've had disagreements with him myself. I've never hated him though or called for him to be impeached.

My problem with Michael Savage is that he is an extremely bitter, angry, unhappy man. It's actually sad to listen to. You stated you are a Christian so I'm just wondering what there is a Christian can take from listening to Michael Savage (besides all the negatives one can gain from it).

[Texas_Dawg]

I think Tex is either one of those 70's kids who was raised on that touchy-feely Christianity, or a mormon. He has that 'don't cause any emotional outburst' kinda thing going on.

Not a 70s kid, not a Mormon. Just a believer. Nominally Presbyterian, fwiw. A conservative, GOP one at that.

When you say you are a Christian, what do you mean by that? Just curious.

[Texas_Dawg]

The GOP left me. I didn't change, the GOP changed. That is irrefutable

Good riddance. Don't let that door hit you on the way out.

[exmarine]

I'm not very into the Kumbayya crowd.

Yes, if we just put our trust in Bush and the U.S. govt., everything will be okay. Not. People had better start trusting God -the govt. can't save them from terrorists or anything else. 9/11 proved that. Our founding fathers trusted God to win the victory in the Revolution and gave God credit for the victory as can be seen in Washington's farewell address, Franklin's call to prayer speech at the Constituitonal convention, and the National Day of Fasting and Prayer that was proclaimed the day after the Bill of Rights was ratified.