[Sabertooth]

I never said it was, I usually avoid these threads because of the irrational posters who resort to name calling and bashing Mexicans, so I haven't followed your posts on this matter.

Why do you equate bashing Illegals with bashing Mexicans?

But if my conversations with you on other matters are an example of your contributions to this issue, I'm quite sure you and I think much alike on the problem of illegal immigration.

Then I suggest you pay more attention to these threads, as I think you've mischaracterized them. I also think you've misunderstood the Bush Administration's intentions regarding Illegals.

My problem with these threads is that they are based on speculation from primarily liberal journalists at first, then afterwords by some concerned conservative journalists reacting to what the Liberals speculate will be in a proposal that quotes no one in the Bush Administration.

How many more Tom Ridge links do you need?

How many freight-train loopholes in the President's own comments do you need to see?

Sure we can send faxes to the White House and Send emails to our elected Representatives, voicing our concerns, but to condemn this administration or anyone else based on the vague claims made by liberals at the NYT's or some other liberal rag, is playing right into their hands

No, complacency and blind faith are the dangers.

Let me ask you a few questions: how do you define Bush-bashing?

Is a criticism of this President "Bush-bashing," if it's true?

After the President signed the McCain-Feingold CFR, there were a number of contentious threads. Many of FR's Bush-loyslists put forth the proposition that this was brilliant stategery, that he'd taken the Democrats issue away, that the SCOTUS would throw it out anyway.

I was one who said it was a blunder, that there was no guarantee that the SCOTUS would throw it out, that a veto would have been far preferrable, and that the issue had no resonance with the voters anyway.

Now, those of us who criticized the President's signing of CFR have been completely vindicated, because the SCOTUS upheld all sorts of restrictions on Free Speech. Those who defended it, on any grounds, have been shown to have been badly mistaken on CFR.

I should think that would serve as a lesson to those who reflexively defend this President in anything and everything, despite evidence that contradicts their conclusions.

We need to do better than to lean on the hope that some troubling development in the Bush Administration is just a trumped-up effort by liberal media to sow division in the GOP.

President Bush is capable of mistakes. He is about to make an enormous mistake with regard to Illegals, and it's likely to hurt the GOP when he does.

The resultant division within the Republican Party will be the President's own doing.

[MJY1288]

"Then I suggest you pay more attention to these threads, as I think you've mischaracterized them. I also think you've misunderstood the Bush Administration's intentions regarding Illegals."

I think I characterized most of these threads quite accurately, 90% of them turn into flame wars

"How many more Tom Ridge links do you need?

How many freight-train loopholes in the President's own comments do you need to see?"

I saw and heard what Tom Ridge said, but I am still waiting for that ever illusive White house proposal, we can speculate all day long, but I'll wait until I see the actual proposal before I condemn it

"Is a criticism of this President "Bush-bashing," if it's true?

After the President signed the McCain-Feingold CFR, there were a number of contentious threads. Many of FR's Bush-loyslists put forth the proposition that this was brilliant stategery, that he'd taken the Democrats issue away, that the SCOTUS would throw it out anyway."

I was one that thought the signing of CFR was a rational decision, mainly because it had sever-ability. My mistake was that I believed the SCOTUS understood the Constitution. So YES you were correct, Bush should not have signed CFR. As far as claiming that I, or anyone else who doesn't switch to the Libertarian Party the first time GWB does something I disagree with is a Bushbot, I think that's as childish as it gets.

I think I agree with about 75% of what this President has done so far, That's a number I can very much live with and I will continue to send my letters of complaint when he does things I don't. If that makes me a Bushbot in your world, So be it. But one thing is for sure, I will never go off the deep end over something that hasn't even been proposed yet. That's like selling your farm because the weather man says we might not get any rain next year