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To: Sabertooth
66 or 70 Republican Senators? Why not 90? Why not 400 Republican Congressmen, while we're at it?

Sounds good! BTW - You're veiled sarcasm implies that having these numbers will result in less conservative legislation and judges. Care to elaborate?

This moving of the bar invites GOP unaccountability.

Empty rhetoric. Maybe less accountability to demanding fringe voters like Libertarians, but not to the general run of the mill conservative population.

We were told in 2000 that we needed to take back the Senate to confirm conservative judges. Then the Democrats fought back. Our party wrung their hands in fury.

Who'd a thunk the dems would have pulled out their crying towels and played rules tricks? Although I think all would agree that Frist needs to play hardball.

Now, we're told we need a veto-proof supermajority, or a rino-veto-proof superdupermajority.

I believe you meant "filibusterproof". A veto proof supermajority would be 2/3rds and is what the dems desire at this point.

Every election, politicians need to fear for their jobs. If a politician doesn't feel that fear, there is no leverage over him. Which voters do politicians fear the most?

The ones from the other party. Oh, and the fringe voters from their own party demanding actions that would turn the 50% middle of the road voters into socialists.

The ones that make or break most elections, and those aren't committed, hell or high water voters, those are taken for granted.

That would be the 50% in the middle, not the 5% superfringe nutcases.

Once a politician knows your vote is in the bag, he'll put golf spikes in your back to get to a swing voter.

So let's hold out our 5% and make demands, because we all know 5% is bigger than 50%.

Getting rid of Democrats is only half the battle; the other half must be fought simultaneously, and that is to get Republicans to act like they have enough of a spine to stand up for the values of their constituents.

Want to help give pubs some spine? How about letting them know you will support them through thick and thin even though you don't agree with them 100%. Conservative politicians are more scared of the liberal press, who are looking to take them out and end their careers, at the slightest misstep they make. This works because too many conservative, particularly the ones willing to jump ship at election time due to a perceived lack of ideological purity, are too quick to dump them as damaged goods.

582 posted on 10/20/2003 7:06:03 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Bob J
How about letting them know you will support them through thick and thin even though you don't agree with them 100%.

How does this not encourage greater unaccountability?

603 posted on 10/20/2003 7:11:48 PM PDT by k2blader (Haruspex, beware.)
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To: Bob J; Sabertooth
Oh, and the fringe voters from their own party demanding actions that would turn the 50% middle of the road voters into socialists

You, of course, are talking about actions which protect the Second Amendment, the traditional family unit, and unborn children in the womb, for starters. And since this is the kind of stuff that you fear will "turn the 50% middle of the road voters into socialists", then I would say you would be better suited advising strategy to the Democrats.

630 posted on 10/20/2003 7:23:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Bob J
Sounds good! BTW - You're veiled sarcasm implies that having these numbers will result in less conservative legislation and judges. Care to elaborate?

No, my very real sarcasm implied that having these numbers as a goal is an excuse for doing a whole lot of nothing until they're achieved. Since they aren't likely to be acheived, the likelihood of more excuses for poor results is high, so long as this phantasm is chased as a goal.

I believe you meant "filibusterproof". A veto proof supermajority would be 2/3rds and is what the dems desire at this point.

I meant any kind of "-proof" the lack of which gives the GOP cover for cowardice.

Our side has the fortitude of 10 of Joshua's 12 spies.

That would be the 50% in the middle, not the 5% superfringe nutcases.

No politician takes their 50% from the middle unless running unopposed. Ever.

So let's hold out our 5% and make demands, because we all know 5% is bigger than 50%.

In two-party electoral politics, 49% = 0. To the candidate with 49%, that 5% they don't yet have is everything.

You're understimating anyway. We have more than 5%.

How about letting them know you will support them through thick and thin even though you don't agree with them 100%.

Because that's exactly wrong.

For "through thick and thin," just substute "through cowardice or courage."

How does unconditional support prevent a pol from taking the easy road?

If you want your vote to be worth something, it needs to cost something.


634 posted on 10/20/2003 7:23:34 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Bob J
Well stated.
730 posted on 10/20/2003 8:09:06 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Bob J
EXCELLENT post.
1,256 posted on 10/23/2003 1:25:34 PM PDT by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: Bob J
You cleaned his clock with that post.
1,262 posted on 10/23/2003 10:47:49 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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