[Miss Marple]

Practically, please tell me how electing a democrat to replace Olympia Snowe helps us.

As you can see, I am sceptical of your comment.

Having a majority was our goal, and a lot of people (I daresay most) thought that was good enough. Unfortunately, the Rats were underestimated.

We need a super majority to get judges. You know this, and I find your comment to be nothing but an attempt to get people to arguing and slamming Repulicans.

Pfui.

[OWK]

Having a majority was our goal, and a lot of people (I daresay most) thought that was good enough.

When does the part where republicans act like republicans come in?

[Sabertooth]

Practically, please tell me how electing a democrat to replace Olympia Snowe helps us.

Practically speaking, tell me how Olympia Snowe not fearing for her job helps conservatism?

On the subject of practicality...

As you can see, I am sceptical of your comment.

Apply that skepticism to your desire for 66 or 70 Senators from a single party.

How many years since 1900 has one party ever held that many seats?

12 at 66+. From 1935-45, and 1963-67 for the Democrats. Never for the GOP.

No party has ever held 70 seats in the US Senate.

		Party of		Party of
Period	Congress	Majority		Minority		Others	President
1789-1791 1791-1793 1793-1795 1795-1797 1797-1799 1799-1801	1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th	Ad F F F F F	17 16 17 19 20 19	Op DR DR DR DR DR	9 13 13 13 12 13	- - - - - -	Washington (F) Washington (F) Washington (F) Washington (F) J.Adams (F) J.Adams (F)
1801-1803 1803-1805 1805-1807 1807-1809 1809-1811 1811-1813	7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th	DR DR DR DR DR DR	18 25 27 28 28 30	F F F F F F	13 9 7 6 6 6	- - - - - -	Jefferson (DR) Jefferson (DR) Jefferson (DR) Jefferson (DR) Madison (DR) Madison (DR)
1813-1815 1815-1817 1817-1819 1819-1821 1821-1823 1823-1825	13th 14th 15th 16th 17th 18th	DR DR DR DR DR DR	27 25 34 35 44 44	F F F F F F	9 11 10 7 4 4	- - - - - -	Madison (DR) Madison (DR) Monroe (DR) Monroe (DR) Monroe (DR) Monroe (DR)
1825-1827 1827-1829 1829-1831 1831-1833 1833-1835 1835-1837	19th 20th 21st 22nd 23rd 24th	Ad J D D D D	26 28 26 25 20 27	J Ad NR NR NR W	20 20 22 21 20 25	- - - 2 8 -	J.Q.Adams (C) J.Q.Adams (C) Jackson (D) Jackson (D) Jackson (D) Jackson (D)
1837-1839 1839-1841 1841-1843 1843-1845 1845-1847 1847-1849	25th 26th 27th 28th 29th 30th	D D W W D D	30 28 28 28 31 36	W W D D W W	18 22 22 25 25 21	4 - 2 1 - 1	Van Buren (D) Van Buren (D) W.Harrison (W) Tyler (W) Polk (D) Polk (D)
1849-1851 1851-1853 1853-1855 1855-1857 1857-1859 1859-1861	31st 32nd 33rd 34th 35th 36th	D D D D D D	35 35 38 40 36 36	W W W R R R	25 24 22 15 20 26	2 3 2 4 8 4	Taylor (W) Fillmore (W) Pierce (D) Pierce (D) Buchanan (D) Buchanan (D)
1861-1863 1863-1865 1865-1867 1867-1869 1869-1871 1871-1873	37th 38th 39th 40th 41st 42nd	R R U R R R	31 36 42 42 56 52	D D D D D D	10 9 10 11 11 17	8 5 - - - 5	Lincoln (R) Lincoln (R) Lincoln (R) A.Johnson (R) Grant (R) Grant (R)
1873-1875 1875-1877 1877-1879 1879-1881 1881-1883 1883-1885	43rd 44th 45th 46th 47th 48th	R R R D R R	49 45 39 42 37 38	D D D R D D	19 29 36 33 37 36	5 2 1 1 1 2	Grant (R) Grant (R) Hayes (R) Hayes (R) Garfield (R) Arthur (R)
1885-1887 1887-1889 1889-1891 1891-1893 1893-1895 1895-1897	49th 50th 51st 52nd 53rd 54th	R R R R D R	43 39 39 47 44 43	D D D D R D	34 37 37 39 38 39	- - - 2 3 6	Cleveland (D) Cleveland (D) B.Harrison (R) B.Harrison (R) Cleveland (D) Cleveland (D)
1897-1899 1899-1901 1901-1903 1903-1905 1905-1907 1907-1909	55th 56th 57th 58th 59th 60th	R R R R R R	47 53 55 57 57 61	D D D D D D	34 26 31 33 33 31	7 8 4 - - -	McKinley (R) McKinley (R) McKinley (R) T.Roosevelt (R) T.Roosevelt (R) T.Roosevelt (R)
1909-1911 1911-1913 1913-1915 1915-1917 1917-1919 1919-1921	61st 62nd 63rd 64th 65th 66th	R R D D D R	61 51 51 56 53 49	D D R R R D	32 41 44 40 42 47	- - 1 - - -	Taft (R) Taft (R) Wilson (D) Wilson (D) Wilson (D) Wilson (D)
1921-1923 1923-1925 1925-1927 1927-1929 1929-1931 1931-1933	67th 68th 69th 70th 71st 72nd	R R R R R R	59 51 56 49 56 48	D D D D D D	37 43 39 46 39 47	- 2 1 1 1 1	Harding (R) Coolidge (R) Coolidge (R) Coolidge (R) Hoover (R) Hoover (R)
1933-1935 1935-1937 1937-1939 1939-1941 1941-1943 1943-1945	73rd 74th 75th 76th 77th 78th	D D D D D D	60 69 76 69 66 58	R R R R R R	35 25 16 23 28 37	1 2 4 4 2 1	F.Roosevelt (D) F.Roosevelt (D) F.Roosevelt (D) F.Roosevelt (D) F.Roosevelt (D) F.Roosevelt (D)
1945-1947 1947-1949 1949-1951 1951-1953 1953-1955 1955-1957	79th 80th 81st 82nd 83rd 84th	D R D D R D	56 51 54 49 48 48	R D R R D R	38 45 42 47 47 47	1 - - - 1 1	F.Roosevelt (D) Truman (D) Truman (D) Truman (D) Eisenhower (R) Eisenhower (R)
1957-1959 1959-1961 1961-1963 1963-1965 1965-1967 1967-1969	85th 86th 87th 88th 89th 90th	D D D D D D	49 65 65 67 68 64	R R R R R R	47 35 35 33 32 36	1 1 1 1 1 1	Eisenhower (R) Eisenhower (R) Kennedy (D) Kennedy (D) L.Johnson (D)L.Johnson (D)
1969-1971 1971-1973 1973-1975 1975-1977 1977-1979 1979-1981	91st 92nd 93rd 94th 95th 96th	D D D D D D	57 54 56 60 61 58	R R R R R R	43 44 42 37 38 41	- 2 2 3 1 1	Nixon (R) Nixon (R) Nixon(R) Ford (R) Carter (D) Carter (D)
1981-1983 1983-1985 1985-1987 1987-1989 1989-1991 1991-1993	97th 98th 99th 100th 101st 102nd	R R R D D D	53 55 53 55 54 56	D D D R R R	46 45 47 45 46 44	1 - - - - -	Reagan (R) Reagan (R) Reagan (R) Reagan (R) G.H.W. Bush (R) G.H.W. Bush (R)
1993-1995 1995-1997 1997-1999 1999-2001 2001-2003 2003-2005	103rd 104th 105th 106th 107th 108th	D R R R D R	57 52 55 55 50 51	R D D D R D	43 48 45 45 49 48	- - - - 1 1	Clinton (D) Clinton (D) Clinton (D) Clinton (D) G.W. Bush (R) G.W. Bush (R)
Party Abbreviations:    Ad - pro-administration (no parties)    C - coalition (no parties)    D - Democratic    DR - Democratic-Republican    F - Federalist    J - Jacksonian Democrat    NR - National Republican    Op - anti-administration (no parties)    R - Republican    U - Unionist    W - Whig

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Having a majority was our goal, and a lot of people (I daresay most) thought that was good enough. Unfortunately, the Rats were underestimated.

Why is our side never underestimated?

More appropriately, why does our side always underestimate themselves?

We need a super majority to get judges. You know this, and I find your comment to be nothing but an attempt to get people to arguing and slamming Repulicans

No, I don't know it.

The Democrats don't have a genie in the bottle, they simply did something unprecedented, and kicked our Senators' tails between their legs. The Democrats get it. It's civil war war by other means, namely, the judiciary, and the Democrats will do what it takes to win. We won't, at least not yet.

Republicans would prefer to wring their hands, being careful not to break their nails, and stump for some pie in the sky, rino-veto-proof supermajority.

Meanwhile we expand the non-military size of government at a rate faster than we did under Clinton.

We always have excuses for not fighting. We accept the Democrats' definition of incrementalism... giving them half of what they want, half as fast as they want it, rather than taking ground from them.

What's going to happen if we get 58 Senate seats? Two more years of superduper fundraisers? No point in fighting, we can't get cloture. Is that it?

If we don't demand accountability from our own party, and if we follow your template, that's where we'll end up.