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To: Poohbah
[Nuclear weapons] OK: please detail how to use one in legitimate case of self-defense or the defense of others from imminent harm...
...that does NOT massively violate the right of others to the quiet enjoyment of their liberty and property.

I'll answer you question if you will answer the exact same question as to how a government would do the same thing. It would seem the United States' government might just violate someone else's "quiet enjoyment of liberty and property" if a Trident nuclear sub unleashed its fury on them. Does the national government not have the right to own nuclear weapons either? Are you a member of the "Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament" or "Greenpeace"?

373 posted on 10/31/2003 2:31:42 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
I'll answer you question if you will answer the exact same question as to how a government would do the same thing.

They don't; but governments aren't bound in the same manner regarding the employment of military force against other nations (and subnational groupings not on American soil) as individual citizens are bound with respect to self-defense and the rights of one's fellow citizens.

It would seem the United States' government might just violate someone else's "quiet enjoyment of liberty and property" if a Trident nuclear sub unleashed its fury on them.

As long as that "somebody else" isn't an American citizen on American soil, it's frickin' irrelevant.

Does the national government not have the right to own nuclear weapons either?

They do. As I observed, the rules for defending yourself are a wee bit different than those for nation-states fighting wars.

Are you a member of the "Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament" or "Greenpeace"?

No.

379 posted on 10/31/2003 2:37:31 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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