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No he's saying we have a 2nd amendment right to own cannons..

Not so in the sense of a "well regulated" militia. IF the militia is activated the constitution is clear that it is the responsibility of the Congress to train, regulate and EQUIP the militia. If you want to argue the constitution at least read the darn thing.

No he's saying we have a 2nd amendment right to own cannons..

Not so in the sense of a "well regulated" militia.,

Not at issue, bozo. My cannon is privately owned ..

IF the militia is activated the constitution is clear that it is the responsibility of the Congress to train, regulate and EQUIP the militia.

Yep, Art I Sec 8.. What's your point?

If you want to argue the constitution at least read the darn thing.

If you want to argue the constitution tex, at least ~try~ to outline a logical issue.. Otherwise, you look like a clown.

>>IF the militia is activated the constitution is clear that it is the responsibility of the Congress to train, regulate and EQUIP the militia. If you want to argue the constitution at least read the darn thing.

You should read the darn thing. The states have the sole authority for training the militia.

The 2nd Amendment amends the militia clause to ensure the government does not infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Since the congress has failed in its duty to protect the right of the people to keep and bear arms, and has failed in its duty to arm the militia (except for a select branch of the U. S. Army that some falsely claim to be "the militia"), and the states have failed in their duties to train the militia (except for select corps) the congress and states have committed tyranny. Since tyrannical governments have no authorized powers, all authorized power now rests with the people.

the constitution is clear that it is the responsibility of the Congress to train, regulate and EQUIP the militia. If you want to argue the constitution at least read the darn thing.

Here is the militia clause of the Constitution

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.

As you can see the Congress is only to *provide for* the organziation, arming, and disciplining of the militia. The states dod the training, and most importantly the appointment of officers. Both Congress and the States have fallen down on the job. This gives them the power to do something, but does mandate that they do it. A grevious oversite on the part of the founders?

In any event, being an *amendment* the Second Amendment takes precidence over the main body of the original Constitution, if there is a conflict. I don't think there is in this case. You'll notice too that neither the Congress nor the States are given the power to *create* the militia. It exists independent of both.

IF the militia is activated the constitution is clear that it is the responsibility of the Congress to train, regulate and EQUIP the militia.

Is it HCI week or something on FR? The militia is NOT the national guard, Sara Brady's wishes notwithstanding.

IF the militia is activated the constitution is clear that it is the responsibility of the Congress to train, regulate and EQUIP the militia.

I have read it. It says the Congress has the power to PROVIDE FOR the arming of the militia, regardless of wether the miltia is activated, or more formally, "employed in service of the United States". Congress may only govern the militia when so employed. Their first exercise of that power consisted of telling everyone to supply their own weapons, specifying a "good musket or firelock" for each infantryman, and a pair of pistols and a sabre for each horseman. The Constitution gives Congress to provide the discipline, that is the "manual of arms" and "drill manual" and even the TO&E for the milita. The states, not Congress are to train the militia "according to the discipline prescribed by Congress". The states also are responsible fo the appointment of officers. In the early days the way the states did that was by election from the militia companies.

You need to read the document a bit more closely sir.