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1 posted on 10/17/2003 10:29:17 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas
Uh-oh! This should be an interesting thread, for sure.

I wonder if the 2nd Amendment had anti-aircraft weapons in mind?
2 posted on 10/17/2003 10:32:01 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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"We told our kids to stay off his property."

Well, trespassing on private property is a crime in Michigan. It is always advisable to stay off private property unless you have the landowner's permission.
Michigan Trespass Law, 324.73102

"There was gunfire a lot," said Lynda Sherburne, a former township clerk who lives nearby.
So? Many people who live in rural Michigan target shoot frequently.

"Who knows where the stray bullets are going.
Typical anti-gun hysterics.
7 posted on 10/17/2003 10:41:31 AM PDT by SpellingTroll
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This guy sounds like a low level lunatic and loser. With the President and VP in his cross-hairs.

Remember, just because he's a gun owner, doesn't make him a roll model.
15 posted on 10/17/2003 10:46:03 AM PDT by samtheman
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there is more than enough stuff in this world to be "filled with rage" about
That is why God ..invented prunes
17 posted on 10/17/2003 10:46:50 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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40-acre compound

What exactly is a "compound?" What makes it a "compound?"

18 posted on 10/17/2003 10:47:44 AM PDT by B Knotts
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So, what's Norman's FReeper name?
23 posted on 10/17/2003 10:49:26 AM PDT by rabidralph
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anti-aircraft gun capable of firing 550 rounds per minute up to four miles away.

Translates to legal BMG .50 in antiaircraft mount. Collectors and amateur shooters like these better than the ground mounts because you don't have to sit or lie down on the ground to fire the gun. Liberal lies and attempts to incite hysteria

28 posted on 10/17/2003 10:51:44 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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"Somerville may face additional charges linked to the search of his property, although Meyer declined to elaborate. "

So, what are the charges so far? Maybe they could tell us that. Or is it a secret?
29 posted on 10/17/2003 10:51:44 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Israel!)
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Somerville was "filled with rage and intended to ambush people, mowing them down in a hail of machine-gun bullets," Meyer said, quoting informants. He belongs to a "self-styled radical militia unit" whose members are upset over the death of Scott Woodring, the prosecutor said.

What good is a militia if you have gov informants as members?
33 posted on 10/17/2003 10:56:25 AM PDT by Pro-Bush (Homeland Security + Tom Ridge = Open Borders --> Demand Change!)
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The attacks on the second amendment have to do with guys like this. The Fed figgures that with a paid for standing army, the congress no longer needs to call on a citizens militia for defense. Therefore the only reason for stockpiling such weapons would be revolution, an option which, according to the most important document the "Declaration of Independence", leaves open to citizens, not the Fed, to decide.

So any attempt on the part of the Fed to disarm, even a guy like this, is against the mans rights according to our founding documents. How many women have been told that the police are helpless to assist them against a crazy husband making threats to kill her until or unless the deed is done? Yet the Fed has cast down that excuse and refuses to wait until a person like the man in this article, actually does something. Can't have it both ways, or maybe they can.

They would have a hard time getting a conviction with me on the jury is all I'm saying.
42 posted on 10/17/2003 11:02:17 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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Where do these guys get the money to buy this stuff? Hell, a single handgun will set you back a few hundred bucks.
66 posted on 10/17/2003 11:21:27 AM PDT by Junior (Kinky is using a feather. Sick is using the whole chicken.)
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Norman Somerville, 43, was arrested last week on federal gun and drug charges

Would be a fun experiment to change "Norman Somerville" to "Nuwasid Somiryya" and leave the rest of the story the same and see how the replies change.

73 posted on 10/17/2003 11:27:22 AM PDT by John H K
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Here's a more complete account:

Self-Styled Militiaman Had Machine Guns, Wanted to Kill Police, Government Says

Traverse City, Mich – A self-styled militiaman charged with weapons violations was "filled with rage" and plotted to kill police in retaliation for the fatal shooting of another man with anti-government views, according to a court document obtained by The Associated Press.

Norman David Somerville, arrested last week after leaving his heavily fortified compound in Wexford County, had stockpiled arms including an anti-aircraft weapon and .30-caliber machine guns, the document said.

A source told investigators Somerville was attempting to mount a machine gun onto a Jeep and that he wanted to cause an auto accident, then ambush and kill police when they responded, said the papers filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Grand Rapids.

"According to his close associates, Mr. Somerville is filled with rage and intended to ambush people, mowing them down in a hail of machine gun bullets," Assistant U.S. Attorney Lloyd K. Meyer said in a motion and brief urging that Somerville remain jailed without bond until trial.

His attorney, Joe Doele of Grand Rapids, did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

Somerville, 43, was arrested Oct. 10 after a grand jury handed down a three-count indictment charging him with illegal possession of a machine gun, being a marijuana user in unlawful possession of firearms and manufacturing marijuana.

The two weapons charges are felonies that carry a maximum of 10 years in prison while the marijuana charge, also a felony, carries a maximum of five years in prison.

A detention hearing is scheduled for Monday in Grand Rapids.

In the documents, Meyer said Somerville was growing marijuana and had stocks of automatic assault weapons, explosive powder, bomb-making materials, and tens of thousands of ammunition rounds on his 40-acre property near Mesick, about 30 miles south of Traverse City.

Somerville lived there with his girlfriend, who has not been charged. Meyer said the grand jury investigation was continuing and that "we are going to present more charges and more defendants for their consideration."

Last July, a "confidential source" told state police that "Somerville, his girlfriend and a few others are members of a self-styled radical militia unit who were very upset about the death of Mr. Scott Woodring," Meyer said.

Woodring, 40, a one-time militia member, killed a state trooper July 7 during a standoff at his home in Newaygo County, where officers were trying to serve a warrant charging him with criminal sexual conduct.

He apparently slipped away from his home and was shot dead by police six days later.

The source, described in the court documents as one of Somerville's "trusted associates" with knowledge of his property, told police Somerville wanted to kill a trooper "to avenge Mr. Woodring," Meyer said.

State police and the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms were prepared to wait "weeks or months" to confront Somerville rather than bring on a standoff at his compound, Meyer said. He was arrested unarmed at a Home Depot store.

Over the next two days, agents conducted a court-ordered search of the property and found it as the source described, the document said.

"Hidden in a tree line, Mr. Somerville had mounted a maneuverable anti-aircraft gun in a position to command logical fields of fire and approaches to the property and any airline flight paths in the open sky," the court papers said.

"This M2 .50-caliber machine gun was over five feet long and weighed more than 150 pounds with tripod. It can fire 550 rounds per minute with a maximum range of over four miles. Mr. Somerville had tens of thousands of belted ammunition rounds for the gun."

Somerville also had several M1919 .30-caliber machine guns, one of which was "locked, loaded and ready to go" behind the side door of a mobile panel van," the document said.

It said a turret on which a machine gun could be mounted was installed in a Jeep Cherokee with the passenger seat removed. Such guns can fire 400 to 550 rounds per minute with an effective range of a half-mile, and Somerville had thousands of rounds of ammunition for them, the document said.

"The keys to what Mr. Somerville himself described as his `war wagons' were in the ignition, ready to go," it said.

Aside from "considerable stores" of food, gunpowder and marijuana, agents found numerous publications and papers including military field and technical manuals, the document said. They dealt with subjects such as booby traps, guerrilla warfare and incendiaries.

Also found were videos with titles such as "America: Wakeup or Waco" and "9/11, the Road to Tyranny."

The document said agents who inspected Somerville's property following his arrest found photographs of President Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld with the crosshairs of a high-powered rifle scope drawn over their heads.

Somerville was being investigated by Secret Service agents "who had information that Mr. Somerville had stated over a ham radio that he was going to dispatch assassination teams to target President Bush," it said.

The ATF has obtained records showing that Somerville served in the U.S. Army from 1978-84 and was trained as an intelligence analyst, Meyer said. For part of that time, he was assigned to Special Forces groups at Fort Bragg, N.C., and Fort Meade, Md.

(John Flesher [The Associated Press] in Michigan Live, October 16, 2003)
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83 posted on 10/17/2003 11:39:08 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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Agents found an underground bunker,

Root cellar?

95 posted on 10/17/2003 12:00:47 PM PDT by GluteusMax
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Leftist militia?

111 posted on 10/17/2003 12:53:19 PM PDT by Gringo1 (Some days you are the pidgeon....and other days the statue.)
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1. The Feds have no business here at all. It's a state issue at best.

2. The GR Press isn't exactly the best paper around. I wonder what the real facts are here.

AA gun? What was it really? A 300 Win Mag?

129 posted on 10/17/2003 2:20:37 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("I don't want to Raise Taxes" "I think everything must be looked at" - Jennifer Granholm. (D))
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Down with kooks and kookery!

151 posted on 10/17/2003 8:29:12 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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Is Norman on the left or the right?


153 posted on 10/17/2003 8:34:40 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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Is it a federal offense to draw "cross hairs" over the picture of the president? If so I'm gonna have to get the picture of Clintoon outa the pisser.
193 posted on 10/18/2003 7:31:57 AM PDT by sandydipper (Never quit - never surrender!)
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The Reno Feds had every chance to do this at Waco:

"Norman Somerville, 43 David Koresh, was arrested last week on federal gun and drug charges as he shopped at Home Depot in Cadillac in Waco.

Authorities then spent the weekend combing his property in Wexford County's Antioch Township, about 20 miles northwest of Cadillac and interviewing the women and children living there "

203 posted on 10/18/2003 11:05:42 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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